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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

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    as the saying goes "out of left field"
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    A clean budget is out of the question. The last time the Senate passed a budget was way back before anybody had even heard of an iPad.
    This has nothing to do with passing an omnibus budget. A "clean" resolution in this context means agreeing to end the shutdown without killing off the ACA.


    Boehner is the man standing up for America and Americans.
    Not really. He cannot control the Tea Party types, and has allowed himself to be tied into knots by the Hastert Rule. It's not really his fault though, because the TPers are beyond control anyway.

    What he should do is end the stalemate. He's too chicken-**** to do it, because he knows he'll lose his leadership position.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Great speech by Elizabeth Warren.



    Is what she says on target? Is the resistance to the PPACA coming from opposition to women's reproductive rights? If so it would make a ton of sense: whenever there's a position with poor and vaguely thought out arguments, eight times out of ten you'll find religious extremism at the heart of it.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Great speech by Elizabeth Warren.


    Is what she says on target? Is the resistance to the PPACA coming from opposition to women's reproductive rights? If so it would make a ton of sense: whenever there's a position with poor and vaguely thought out arguments, eight times out of ten you'll find religious extremism at the heart of it.
    I believe we are approaching the moment when a "war on women" equivalent to Godwin's Law will be promulgated.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I believe we are approaching the moment when a "war on women" equivalent to Godwin's Law will be promulgated.

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    Gee, thanks for the Wiki link. Godwin's Law is so obscure I doubt anyone here would have heard of it.

    Godwin's Law in any case is a spectacularly dumb analogy, not the least of which is because 1)no Nazis and 2)resistance to women's reproductive rights in the bill was actually a very real thing. But you're pretty new here so I guess you weren't around when it kicked up a giant ****storm on this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Gee, thanks for the Wiki link. Godwin's Law is so obscure I doubt anyone here would have heard of it.

    Godwin's Law in any case is a spectacularly dumb analogy, not the least of which is because resistance to women's reproductive rights in the bill was actually a very real thing. But you're pretty new here so I guess you weren't around when it kicked up a giant ****storm on this forum.
    I'm pro-choice so I certainly support women's reproductive rights, but that particular episode seemed to be more about a gratuitous assault on religious freedom than about women. Regardless, I provide links for those interlocutors who may be data-challenged. Glad to see you're not among them. And the analogy was apt.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Both, I'd say 75% Democrats and 25% Republicans if I had to somehow give an estimate ammount.
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    Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Its virtually entirely the GOPs fault. This whole thing is a Republican intraparty squabble.

    You dont shut the government down because you cant pass laws you dont want. You dontt screw with the debt ceiling because you are powerless in any other means. Its really a shmeful chapter in our history.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'm pro-choice so I certainly support women's reproductive rights, but that particular episode seemed to be more about a gratuitous assault on religious freedom than about women. Regardless, I provide links for those interlocutors who may be data-challenged.
    Wait, are you seriously proud of yourself for linking to Wikipedia over the term "Godwin?" Really??

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Glad to see you're not among them. And the analogy was apt.
    The analogy was retarded, because the resistance I'm referring to was a very real thing. Your use of the term Godwin waters down the significance of Godwin almost as much as Godwin waters down the significance of Hitler.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    What he should do is end the stalemate. He's too chicken-**** to do it, because he knows he'll lose his leadership position.
    That part sounds like you're talking about Obama or Reid...
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