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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    As I have posted before, my siblings are all Dems, and my two brothers have small businesses. Even they are unhappy and disappointed in BHO, and they get all nostalgic when referring to the past..."when we had lots of work." They attribute it to people not having jobs like they used to; hence no money to spend on new roofing or remodeling, etc, and they blame that on BHO's government policies.
    my company is French owned, 8 years ago this was their strongest market, it is now their weakest and they have been liquifying assets here for the last 4 years

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    my company is French owned, 8 years ago this was their strongest market, it is now their weakest and they have been liquifying assets here for the last 4 years

    : Sad to imagine everyone's stress levels at this point! !!!

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Of you whine about things that are bs ^, prepared parents don't have these issues
    lol, even the most 'prepared' parents can be thrown a curveball finding out their child will have special needs. I am trying to be realistic here but I am not going to waste anymore time. I am sure the current healthcare system works great for you and I hope you have a great day.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Fair enough. I'm not a fan of single payer either, but it would not be the incoherent, coercive mess that is ACA. The good news about single payer is that in every country where it exists there is some means (within the system or otherwise) to get better care by paying more.
    Agreed, but do we really want a 2-tier system where the 99% get the crappy neglect that passes for health care on the Indian reservations and the wealthy 1% have access to quality care? That strikes me as a recipe for a serious revolution.

    Standing a bit further back to gain a larger perspective: We already know that we have a problem with entitlements that are unsupportable - Social Security, Medicare, defined benefit retirement programs and the like. Do we really need another entitlement program right now, particularly one with as murky a cost future as ObamaCare?

    My own suggestion for a third, and final, Republican position is full funding for the rest of the government with the following restrictions on ObamaCare: (1) Delay the individual mandate for a year, but allow those who want to sign up to do so; (2) Repeal the awful 2.3% tax on medical devices (which applies to revenue, not profit, and sends jobs overseas); (3) No exemptions for Congress and staffers - the chefs must eat the same crap as they feed rest of us. If the Democrats feel that even these three modest requirements are worth holding the entire government hostage, let them explain their positions - and we will express our opinion at the polls next year.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sietske22 View Post
    Right now Boehner is the man standing in the way of ending the shutdown.

    All he has to do is let the House vote on a clean budget.
    A clean budget is out of the question. The last time the Senate passed a budget was way back before anybody had even heard of an iPad. We've been running on continuing resolutions ever since the Dems took over, with slight modifications each year to provide pork and grease the wheels of corruption for the party in power. The House has, several times, passed a clean continuing resolution for everything except Obamacare, the abomination that Obama has ignored every time he wishes to hand out an unconstitutional favor to his donors.

    Boehner is the man standing up for America and Americans.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sietske22 View Post
    The Senate took the House bill, stripped out the stuff that was unrelated to the Continuing Resolution, and sent it back to the House.

    Boehner won't let them vote on it.

    So much for democracy.
    Everything budget is related to the CR.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    lol, even the most 'prepared' parents can be thrown a curveball finding out their child will have special needs. I am trying to be realistic here but I am not going to waste anymore time. I am sure the current healthcare system works great for you and I hope you have a great day.
    continue on with your beliefs, my mother used to read me a story like that:


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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Agreed, but do we really want a 2-tier system where the 99% get the crappy neglect that passes for health care on the Indian reservations and the wealthy 1% have access to quality care? That strikes me as a recipe for a serious revolution.

    Standing a bit further back to gain a larger perspective: We already know that we have a problem with entitlements that are unsupportable - Social Security, Medicare, defined benefit retirement programs and the like. Do we really need another entitlement program right now, particularly one with as murky a cost future as ObamaCare?

    My own suggestion for a third, and final, Republican position is full funding for the rest of the government with the following restrictions on ObamaCare: (1) Delay the individual mandate for a year, but allow those who want to sign up to do so; (2) Repeal the awful 2.3% tax on medical devices (which applies to revenue, not profit, and sends jobs overseas); (3) No exemptions for Congress and staffers - the chefs must eat the same crap as they feed rest of us. If the Democrats feel that even these three modest requirements are worth holding the entire government hostage, let them explain their positions - and we will express our opinion at the polls next year.
    No problem with any of that. You have obviously thought seriously about the question. Two minor points. OK with making Congresspersons and Senators drink the Kool-Aid, but I'd give the staffs a break. And in the single payer countries the better care is usually available a little further down the scale than the top 1%. Otherwise, count me in.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    continue on with your beliefs, my mother used to read me a story like that:

    Considering the right wing response to the passing of PPACA that image is particularly fitting.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Considering the right wing response to the passing of PPACA that image is particularly fitting.
    as the saying goes "out of left field"

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