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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I realize this is just your opinion, but it seemed so appropriate, I couldn't resist! !

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    thanks, those three have hurt my income, insurance costs, and future more than any other three I can remember. The sheep that follow them think they actually care about them.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Yes I can - I actually do pay for my own and for my family, why do you think I don't? Because I am for healthcare reform?

    I don't know about you but I don't really like it when a 5 year old child with cancer is denied coverage and treatment by a company that pays it's CEO millions upon millions of dollars. Something is kinda wrong with that picture. You might be with the let the baby die, the ceo earns his money blah blah blah crowd but I prefer to have a heart.
    Show me any company that basis decisions from the heart. I have issue with parents that had that 5 year old child without coverage.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Show me any company that basis decisions from the heart. I have issue with parents that had that 5 year old child without coverage.
    Many people have coverage but are denied certain treatments. Let's say the baby was born with a birth defect, do you think it's right to classify that as a pre-existing condition and deny coverage in that instance?
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Many people have coverage but are denied certain treatments. Let's say the baby was born with a birth defect, do you think it's right to classify that as a pre-existing condition and deny coverage in that instance?
    I think it is wrong to have that baby without coverage, that means knowing what is covered. Preparation is on you, not anyone else.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I think it is wrong to have that baby without coverage, that means knowing what is covered. Preparation is on you, not anyone else.
    So when you have the ultra sound and find out the baby has a birth defect and will not qualify for coverage, you are for abortion. Gotcha!
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So when you have the ultra sound and find out the baby has a birth defect and will not qualify for coverage, you are for abortion. Gotcha!
    Thing is, if you truly asked those questions before having that child you would not be getting that answer. I have a grandchild with a defect, everything was covered but that answer was already known. I see you can't debate without extremism.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    To be clear, I don't hold it up as a "victory." What I'd say is that in many but not all respects, it is working. To wit:

    • 97% of MA residents are now insured.
    • It's got a 65% approval rating
    • It's working well with the advent of ACO's
    • Insurance premiums rose at half the rate of the rest of the US
    • Insurers are not going bankrupt
    • It hasn't bankrupted the state
    The only reason Massachusetts healthcare hasn't bankrupt the state providing coverage is because of the countless millions being provided by the federal government. Of all previously uninsured Massachusetts residents who obtained insurance after the reform became law, 83 percent did through publicly-funded programs, such as Commonwealth Care and MassHealth. Federal Medicaid funds underwrite about half the state’s cost. Yes Big Mama Federal government is subsidizing Romneycare in Massachusetts.





    Nothing about the ACA changes the rates at which primary care physicians get paid; that's still between the doctor and the insurer. The only possible way it could have an effect is if the law results in more people going to see doctors.

    And surely you are not going to hold up one and only statistic -- wait times for non-emergency care -- and on that basis declare that Romney's reforms are a disaster across the board?
    Sorry that is incorrect also. Because of Obamacare, Medicare payouts to physicians will see cuts also. For 2014, doctors face an estimated payment reduction of 25 percent on Medicare/Medicaid patients unless Congress passes another fix. The reason for the long wait to see a doctor in Massachusetts is directly related to all the bureaucracy involved with each individual. Processing it all, slows down on the number of patients a doctor can see per day. Just like Romneycare came with a whole new boatload of regulations, Obamacare does as well bringing with it a mess of red tape.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Thing is, if you truly asked those questions before having that child you would not be getting that answer. I have a grandchild with a defect, everything was covered but that answer was already known. I see you can't debate without extremism.
    I guess saying "it is wrong to have that baby without coverage" isn't the least bit extreme. Considering that with a list of pre-existing conditions that won't be covered by insurance, and for many instance those can't be detected until further along in the pregnancy, either you risk the pregnacy and then you might have a baby with a condtion that won't be covered, don't get pregnant so you don't risk it, or you abort the baby so you don't have a child that won't be covered.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    thanks, those three have hurt my income, insurance costs, and future more than any other three I can remember. The sheep that follow them think they actually care about them.
    As I have posted before, my siblings are all Dems, and my two brothers have small businesses. Even they are unhappy and disappointed in BHO, and they get all nostalgic when referring to the past..."when we had lots of work." They attribute it to people not having jobs like they used to; hence no money to spend on new roofing or remodeling, etc, and they blame that on BHO's government policies.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I guess saying "it is wrong to have that baby without coverage" isn't the least bit extreme. Considering that with a list of pre-existing conditions that won't be covered by insurance, and for many instance those can't be detected until further along in the pregnancy, either you risk the pregnacy and then you might have a baby with a condtion that won't be covered, don't get pregnant so you don't risk it, or you abort the baby so you don't have a child that won't be covered.
    Of you whine about things that are bs ^, prepared parents don't have these issues

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