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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Why is that a problem for many people? Genuinely curious.

    ACA won't be as bad as you think. Obviously it's not an ideal long term solution (agains, I don't know anyone who thinks it is), but the doomsday hype over ACA has been completely over the top.
    From what I've read, it seems to be a problem of government control over a very large percentage of our economy. Retirees are one thing; controlling health care for over 300 million people is something else. This will be interesting to follow. :

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    If Romney had won the election we'd be calling it Romneycare.
    If Wiener had won the election we'd be calling it Wienercare. That's something nearly half of the country could support.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    From what I've read, it seems to be a problem of government control over a very large percentage of our economy. Retirees are one thing; controlling health care for over 300 million people is something else. This will be interesting to follow. :
    Agreed.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Only many complaining here would love ACA if republicans were in control.
    Then the BHO gang would have been wise to avoid the straight party line enactment that they achieved.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    The House Repubs took the initiative to tie budget approval to defunding Obamacare, Obamacare being an inappropriate socialist "solution" ramrodded down Americans' throats that never truly addressed at its core the real problem with healthcare: the outrageous cost of healthcare materials-services and insurance in America. Obamacare was really all about a quick-fix bandaid of keeping healthcare institutions from going bankrupt tending to the care of so many Great Recession victims (underscoring Obama's failure to get Americans back to work!) and other people who can't afford insurance and, of course, finding a way to insure 20 million illegal aliens, all part of Obama's idealized Multi-Cultural Internationalist agenda that does great harm to America.

    Obama and the Senate Dems refused to approve the budget, based, essentially, solely on the defunding of Obamacare.

    So, with the deadline approaching, The House Repubs compromised (damn them!) and changed "defunding" of Obamacare to "delaying" of the individual mandate etc.

    That was resubmitted to Obama and the Senate Dems and they refused to compromise.

    Then the deadline came and went .. and that's where we are now, with 10/17/13 looming, the date of default.

    So .. who's at fault?

    It really doesn't matter.

    What matters is that the House Repubs have done the right thing by Americans.

    And, Obama and the Senate Dems, idealistically clinging to this part of their agenda, refuse to compromise.

    The real question is who's responsible for the government continuing to be shut down.

    And, of course, that's the side refusing to compromise, refusing to do what's right for Americans, blindly clinging to their extremist idealism .. Obama and the Senate Dems.

    Obama and the Senate Dems need to do the right thing: delay Obamacare for individuals as well, just like they did for the employer side last year, keeping that delay as well.

    That is the right thing to do.

    That will bring our government back up.

    It really is that simple.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Agreed except for the endorsement of single payer, which would give all of us the poor quality of health care now available only on Indian reservations. There are changes we could make to the status quo ante which would improve the system without the heavy hand of government: allow policy purchase across state lines (like auto insurance); make premium payments by individuals tax deductible for the individual; allow formation of sponsor groups other than employers, like the Elks or Kiwanis. The heavy hand of bureaucratic regulation never works out well for the patients.
    Fair enough. I'm not a fan of single payer either, but it would not be the incoherent, coercive mess that is ACA. The good news about single payer is that in every country where it exists there is some means (within the system or otherwise) to get better care by paying more.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    If Wiener had won the election we'd be calling it Wienercare. That's something nearly half of the country could support.
    So what was your point again?

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    So what was your point again?
    My point is that Romney isn't president. I thought it was pretty clear.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    The House Repubs took the initiative to tie budget approval to defunding Obamacare, Obamacare being an inappropriate socialist "solution" ramrodded down Americans' throats that never truly addressed at its core the real problem with healthcare: the outrageous cost of healthcare materials-services and insurance in America. Obamacare was really all about a quick-fix bandaid of keeping healthcare institutions from going bankrupt tending to the care of so many Great Recession victims (underscoring Obama's failure to get Americans back to work!) and other people who can't afford insurance and, of course, finding a way to insure 20 million illegal aliens, all part of Obama's idealized Multi-Cultural Internationalist agenda that does great harm to America.

    Obama and the Senate Dems refused to approve the budget, based, essentially, solely on the defunding of Obamacare.

    So, with the deadline approaching, The House Repubs compromised (damn them!) and changed "defunding" of Obamacare to "delaying" of the individual mandate etc.

    That was resubmitted to Obama and the Senate Dems and they refused to compromise.

    Then the deadline came and went .. and that's where we are now, with 10/17/13 looming, the date of default.

    So .. who's at fault?

    It really doesn't matter.

    What matters is that the House Repubs have done the right thing by Americans.

    And, Obama and the Senate Dems, idealistically clinging to this part of their agenda, refuse to compromise.

    The real question is who's responsible for the government continuing to be shut down.

    And, of course, that's the side refusing to compromise, refusing to do what's right for Americans, blindly clinging to their extremist idealism .. Obama and the Senate Dems.

    Obama and the Senate Dems need to do the right thing: delay Obamacare for individuals as well, just like they did for the employer side last year, keeping that delay as well.

    That is the right thing to do.

    That will bring our government back up.

    It really is that simple.
    Excellent post with well made points!

    IMO, it's not a matter of anyone "backing down," which reeks of partisanship and is disgusting, but rather making it fair for everyone! That could be easily explained by good PR people!

    Greetings, Ontologuy!

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Then the BHO gang would have been wise to avoid the straight party line enactment that they achieved.
    Republicans didn't leave any choice when they said they would oppose any and every thing.

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