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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Who, in your opinion, is primarily at fault for the shutdown?
    well stated that way it makes it pretty easy, just have to go with reality if i have to rank them

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Obama, Reid, Pelosi, and Richard Nixon because nearly everybody hates him and he's dead, just like Pelosi's brain.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    No, they wouldn't, not in its current form. It has the appearance of being cobbled together, it's confusing, and most people are not attorneys who talk in circles. Whatever happened to the concept of K.I.S.S.? keep it simple, stupid!

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    Sure, we'll be waiting with baited breath for Republicans to propose substituting PPACA with UHC. Because when I think "Republicans," I totally think "providing fair and comprehensive health care to the huddled masses."
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    No that is false.
    ACA is a direct attack on the insurance sector of the economy.
    It is riddled with numerous tax increases many that have nothing to do with the healthcare industry to help pay for it. We haven't felt the brunt of all these taxes yet, 14 more will be implemented starting January 1, 2014.
    ACA is causing job layoffs and forcing many into part time status so the employer can avoid all the additional mandates resulting in high costs in covering their employees.
    None of this is supported by the majority on the right. The left in their game of social justice is killing capitalism through corporatism one private sector at a time.
    I do t think it is false. And remember, insurance companies were in the room and largely got what they want. You should also know this is just the latest excuse fir moving toward more part time employees. This movement isn't new. So, most of what you said is just part of the current propaganda. Which would all be reversed if republicans were in charge.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Sure, we'll be waiting with baited breath for Republicans to propose substituting PPACA with UHC. Because when I think "Republicans," I totally think "providing fair and comprehensive health care to the huddled masses."
    I understand contingency planning, but did it really have to take over a thousand pages to explain ACA? That seems excessive to me, and probably explains why people don't understand it, and have to call to have it explained to them. Thus my reference to K.I.S.S. I have BC/BS, and it required three lengthy booklets to tell me what I have, and also that my premiums will now be double what I paid last year.

    Good morning, Cardinal.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    No, they wouldn't, not in its current form. It has the appearance of being cobbled together, it's confusing, and most people are not attorneys who talk in circles. Whatever happened to the concept of K.I.S.S.? keep it simple, stupid!

    Greetings, BooRadley.
    It was cobbled together from republican ideas. That's true enough. But the tenor would certainly be different. I don't think that's debatable.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Well, the thinking part....is the essence of the issue at hand.
    But of course! If I didn't think for myself, I'd be an Obama supporter...
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Only if you conflate Libertarianism with Conservatism. The ACA is a conservative idea invented by Conservatives in response to a bipartisan mandate that forces hospital ERs to treat people first, and worry about getting paid second. Do you remember the kid who bled out from a gunshot outside the doors of a hospital while the ER doctors looked on from inside the hospital? Because we all think that's a terrible system.

    But that mandate means that people can get health care without paying for it. The ACA is based on the idea of personal responsibility, there's a chance you'll need emergency care so you'd better pay for insurance so that the rest of us aren't stuck with your bill. That's as Conservative as it gets.
    The mandate of ObamaCare is not related to personal responsibility. The mandate of ObamaCare is based on the socialist idea of spreading the wealth from those who create it to those who don't.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    The mandate of ObamaCare is not related to personal responsibility. The mandate of ObamaCare is based on the socialist idea of spreading the wealth from those who create it to those who don't.
    Only in a skewed misinformed mind.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I understand contingency planning, but did it really have to take over a thousand pages to explain ACA? That seems excessive to me, and probably explains why people don't understand it, and have to call to have it explained to them. Thus my reference to K.I.S.S. I have BC/BS, and it required three lengthy booklets to tell me what I have, and also that my premiums will now be double what I paid last year.

    Good morning, Cardinal.
    Morning!

    Look, just saying "it's complicated" isn't really an argument against PPACA. You've got to actually address the pros and cons of the plan itself.

    The reason I support the PPACA, if you're in the least bit curious, isn't because I think it's an edifice of perfection (I don't know anyone who does). We wanted universal health care. But the reason I support PPACA is because the votes and the political momentum just doesn't exist for something like UHC. If we scrap PPACA, flawed as it may be, we get nothing and will continue to get nothing for perhaps a generation.

    Remember: perfect is the enemy of good enough.

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