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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    They have the demand of keeping Obamacare intact, and they are willing to let govt close in order to do so.
    There's no more demand by the Democrats over Obamacare than there is a demand over the other billions of dollars worth of expenditures in the budget.

    Nice try.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sietske22 View Post
    Reid has let the Senate vote time and time again on the House bill.

    Again and again, the Senate has voted to change the House bill into a clean bill and remove all things unrelated to the government's discretionary funding.

    When will Boehner let the House vote on the Senate bill?
    What Bill? and what budget for that matter.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    With all due respect, that article is a massive truckload of BS.

    The WSJ called him on it: Heritage Rewrites History - WSJ.com

    Fox recognizes Heritage as the origin of the individual mandate: Individual health care insurance mandate has roots two decades long | Fox News


    Heritage defended Romneycare, including individual mandates, in 2006: Understanding Key Parts of the Massachusetts Health Plan

    And again The Significance of Massachusetts Health Reform
    and again The Massachusetts Approach: A New Way To Restructure State Health Insurance Markets And Public Programs
    and again Massachusetts Health Reform: What the doctor ordered
    Heh. This is funny. State programs. Again and again? Hell, repeat the lie enough, and surely someone somewhere will buy into it, huh?

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    With all due respect, that article is a massive truckload of BS.

    The WSJ called him on it: Heritage Rewrites History - WSJ.com

    Fox recognizes Heritage as the origin of the individual mandate: Individual health care insurance mandate has roots two decades long | Fox News


    Heritage defended Romneycare, including individual mandates, in 2006: Understanding Key Parts of the Massachusetts Health Plan

    And again The Significance of Massachusetts Health Reform
    and again The Massachusetts Approach: A New Way To Restructure State Health Insurance Markets And Public Programs
    and again Massachusetts Health Reform: What the doctor ordered
    A cantaloupe has enough sense to know which party is responsible for the ACA.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Whether they voted for it or not, it was a Republicans idea (Heritage Foundation) and they helped to write the bill and were for it all the way up until Mitch McConnell decided he didn't like the mandate and got his wing of the party to oppose it. It was then that the GOP became the "party of no" and right or wrong have opposed everything Obama did or tried to do since.
    Okay. I guess that's why it's called Heritagecare.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Who, in your opinion, is primarily at fault for the shutdown?
    I would place the primary blame on the Republicans, but the Democrats also hold their share of it. 60-40 or 65-35 Republican fault over the Democrats. It does seem now the Republicans are looking for the Democrats to help them out of this mess that is mainly of their own making with all these calls for the Presidents intervention etc. This is just pure dumb politics by the Republicans. Are they trying to lose the 2014 elections today?
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I would place the primary blame on the Republicans, but the Democrats also hold their share of it. 60-40 or 65-35 Republican fault over the Democrats. It does seem now the Republicans are looking for the Democrats to help them out of this mess that is mainly of their own making with all these calls for the Presidents intervention etc. This is just pure dumb politics by the Republicans. Are they trying to lose the 2014 elections today?
    It seems that way!

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Heh. This is funny. State programs. Again and again? Hell, repeat the lie enough, and surely someone somewhere will buy into it, huh?
    Obviously, you didn't read a single link I posted.

    Heritage and Romney were explicitly and unquestionably supporting every major feature of what went into the ACA: individual mandates, Medicare expansions, health insurance exchanges, subsidies on health insurance, requirements for insurers to accept pre-existing conditions and so forth. They supported Romney's reforms, it was unquestionably a bipartisan effort, and iirc had representatives when it was signed into law.

    Every major component of the ACA was developed by conservatives and Republicans, notably Romney, and the impetus was to offer a free-market solution. Their goal was to stop people from freeloading off the system (e.g. only getting health insurance when they need it).

    It is screamingly obvious that "this should not be a federal law" is a very small part of the criticism of the ACA. Republicans are not shutting down the government because of the principles of federalism. They are openly targeting the parts of the law whose origins were developed by conservatives, as a free-market solution.

    Most, I'm sure, genuinely believe it's a bad policy -- despite the fact that none of their dire warnings have come to pass in MA. However, I'm pretty sure that their abject hatred of Obama, and failure to accept that they lacked the votes to elect a Republican president, all play into their beliefs and emotions on the matter.


    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    A cantaloupe has enough sense to know which party is responsible for the ACA.
    The question is not "who vote for it." The question is "who came up with the idea, and what were their motivations?" The answer is "conservatives" and "offer a free-market solution."




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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Romney is not a conservative.
    Islam is an antiquated religion and needs to either modernize with the times or be completely eradicated.
    There are two types of Muslims, terrorists, and their enablers. They need to fix that if they want to be part of civilized society.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    Romney is not a conservative.
    And is Heritage a left-wing think tank, too?

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