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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Uh....the Heritage version had the individual mandate.

    It is so typical seeing libertarians getting history wrong time and again.
    We all know that, I was referring to the insurance mandates. None of them necessary.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Who, in your opinion, is primarily at fault for the shutdown?


    BOth... it's the only option that is accurate and factual..

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    BOth... it's the only option that is accurate and factual..
    Wrong.
    Democrats hold absolutely zero fault in this.

    Your position would only be valid if Obamacare was a piece of legislation, on the table in some way, or connected to the Government shut down.
    But Obamacare is NOT connected to the Government shut down in any way what so ever.

    Obamacare is Law, not a bill.

    What Republicans are doing now is no different than making the same demands about making abortion illegal or eliminating all tax liability after the first 1 million dollars.
    If the Republicans were making those demands instead, would you still think the Democrats shared some of the blame?

    They might as well demand the elimination of Social Security while they are at it. It would be no less moronic.
    Those of you who somehow think that the Democrats should negotiate over a LAW that has nothing to do with the Debt Ceiling or with the CR, have just not thought this thing through.
    That or you are misinformed or just want to see Obama fail so badly that your demands seem reasonable to you.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Some Democrats did want to use a shutdown as leverage to undo the sequester, but the leadership defeated it.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    Wrong.
    Democrats hold absolutely zero fault in this.

    Your position would only be valid if Obamacare was a piece of legislation, on the table in some way, or connected to the Government shut down.
    But Obamacare is NOT connected to the Government shut down in any way what so ever.

    Obamacare is Law, not a bill.

    What Republicans are doing now is no different than making the same demands about making abortion illegal or eliminating all tax liability after the first 1 million dollars.
    If the Republicans were making those demands instead, would you still think the Democrats shared some of the blame?

    They might as well demand the elimination of Social Security while they are at it. It would be no less moronic.
    Those of you who somehow think that the Democrats should negotiate over a LAW that has nothing to do with the Debt Ceiling or with the CR, have just not thought this thing through.
    That or you are misinformed or just want to see Obama fail so badly that your demands seem reasonable to you.
    sorry, my prior post was factually correct... spin as you will , but it's true,both share blame.... no doubt about it.

    I suggest you bone up on the appropriations process... it's at the center of this lil shindig we are having... ACA is indirectly related.. funding for it is the very heart of the issue.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    sorry, my prior post was factually correct... spin as you will , but it's true,both share blame.... no doubt about it.

    I suggest you bone up on the appropriations process... it's at the center of this lil shindig we are having... ACA is indirectly related.. funding for it is the very heart of the issue.
    Funding is at the heart of most issues.
    But the ACA does not require funding until tax credits roll out.
    For now it is all about getting people signed up for insurance and the elimination of pre-existing conditions.

    The Republicans stopped quite a few things. But they did not and can not, stop the ACA.

    The ACA is a law.
    It was passed by both the House and Senate, signed by the President, upheld by a Right Wing Supreme Court, and then reaffirmed by both electoral and popular vote during the election.
    It is a LAW.
    It is not on the table.

    You might as well go after Social Security instead, for all the good it will do you.
    You can shut it all down.
    You can destroy our credit rating.
    You can collapse our currency.
    But you can NOT stop the ACA without 67 Republicans in the Senate.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    Funding is at the heart of most issues.
    But the AFA does not require funding until tax credits roll out.
    For now it is all about getting people signed up for insurance and the elimination of pre-existing conditions.

    The Republicans stopped quite a few things. But they did not and can not, stop the AFA.

    The AFA is a law.
    It was passed by both the House and Senate, signed by the President, upheld by a Right Wing Supreme Court, and then reaffirmed by both electoral and popular vote during the election.
    It is a LAW.
    It is not on the table.

    You might as well go after Social Security instead, for all the good it will do you.
    You can shut it all down.
    You can destroy our credit rating.
    You can collapse our currency.
    But you can NOT stop the AFA without 67 Republicans in the Senate.
    if what you are saying is true about ACA not needing funding.... then Democrats have absolutely no excuse for not passing the House CR.

    if what you are saying is true, then Democrats purposefully shutdown the government for no reason whatsoever when they decide not to pass the House CR.


    so which is it.. are you wrong, or are Democrats fully to blame for fraudulently shutting down the government?
    ( the correct answer is.. you are wrong)

    the shutdown s occurring because Democrats and Republicans cannot agree to the terms of the CR passed in each of the houses..... period, end of story.
    neither party is budging.. both are sticking to their guns ( for now)

    it takes 2 to tango.. and it takes 2 to form an impasse...... that just a simple fact a lot of people need to wrap their little heads around.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    And the Dems refusing anything other than exactly what they want is not unreasonable and childish prickisness?
    They didn't want the budget the House sent in the CR either it was based on the sequester and needs to be fixed but the Dems were willing to give it to them. But the little babies in the House won't budge unless we repeal Obamacare without the votes required by our Constitution. Its like they don't even know how our Govt. functions. They are making us look fools in front of the world.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    if what you are saying is true about ACA not needing funding.... then Democrats have absolutely no excuse for not passing the House CR.

    if what you are saying is true, then Democrats purposefully shutdown the government for no reason whatsoever when they decide not to pass the House CR.


    so which is it.. are you wrong, or are Democrats fully to blame for fraudulently shutting down the government?
    ( the correct answer is.. you are wrong)

    the shutdown s occurring because Democrats and Republicans cannot agree to the terms of the CR passed in each of the houses..... period, end of story.
    neither party is budging.. both are sticking to their guns ( for now)

    it takes 2 to tango.. and it takes 2 to form an impasse...... that just a simple fact a lot of people need to wrap their little heads around.
    So if I held your family hostage and said I will let you go if you kill your child? You would call that a stalemate? All you have to do is murder you child and you are free to go. It's not my fault if you are still being held, right? It's your fault for not budging.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    They didn't want the budget the House sent in the CR either it was based on the sequester and needs to be fixed but the Dems were willing to give it to them. But the little babies in the House won't budge unless we repeal Obamacare without the votes required by our Constitution. Its like they don't even know how our Govt. functions. They are making us look fools in front of the world.
    yes, the Democrat didn't agree to the House CR... and they refused to negotiate on the terms.

    careful, you are starting to understand why both parties are assholes and both are to blame for the slowdown....

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