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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if the obamacare bill is so frigging great why did Obama postpone some of it for some. He didn't have legal authority to do that
    I don't think Obama micromanages the ACA. In fact, I'd bet money there are qualified people in the insurance and health care industry who are implementing the program.

    The glitches and delays are likely due to the fact that it's a complicated bill and its catering to a huge market. So there are bound to be a few glitches along the way.


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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    ACA now, ACA tomorrow, ACA forever----just like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and all of Nixon's landmark domestic programs...
    And to think ACA started with that roughrider, Republican PotUSA T. Roosevelt

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    I have a fabulous idea!

    How about the House finally vote on a Continuing Resolution that does nothing but fund the government!!!!

    Revolutionary thought huh?

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    ACA now, ACA tomorrow, ACA forever----just like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and all of Nixon's landmark domestic programs...
    And to think ACA started with that roughrider, Republican PotUSA T. Roosevelt
    what sort of idiocy is that? if it hadn't been for FDR's lapdog judges, this crap would have never even have been proposed let alone snuck by four lapdog justices and one who wanted to be clever



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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Well, let's see, Moot; in the first one, I point out the irrelevance of your citing a law passed in 1986 to show that emergency care is at "the root" of Obamacare . . .

    And in the second one, I point out the vapidity of your saying things that the link in the post you quoted (quoted including the link) already refuted.

    So, while you're correct to intone irrelevance and vapidity, neither is mine.

    You never seem to have anything relevant worth responding to, Harshaw. It's all just personal attacks and flame baiting nonsense with you. So please forgive me if I don't respond next time...it's just not worth my time.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sietske22 View Post
    I have a fabulous idea!

    How about the House finally vote on a Continuing Resolution that does nothing but fund the government!!!!

    Revolutionary thought huh?
    You do know that bills passed by the government and are funded by the government are also in-fact part of the government right?
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    You do know that bills passed by the government and are funded by the government are also in-fact part of the government right?
    ObamaCare isn't part of discretionary spending.

    This shutdown is about discretionary spending.

    ObamaCare is funded right now, just like Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    You never seem to have anything relevant worth responding to, Harshaw. It's all just personal attacks and flame baiting nonsense with you. So please forgive me if I don't respond next time...it's just not worth my time.
    Neither of those was a personal attack, Moot. Both responded directly to your posts. And both were spot on. Your posts were vapid. That's not my fault.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Easy, it's the republicans fault. They are being unreasonable and childish pricks.
    Often it is both, but on this issue, a law already passed, already ruled on, this is an unreasonable and childish and prickish move.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sietske22 View Post
    ObamaCare isn't part of discretionary spending.

    This shutdown is about discretionary spending.

    ObamaCare is funded right now, just like Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare.
    That may be the case, however about 80 congressional republicans have signed a pact stating they would not pass a spending bill without the defunding of Obama care. Not counting the ones that aren't just doing it by party lines anyhow.

    Consequently it doesn't make a difference if it's being funded now or not. They just want it out, and they're using the shutdown as leverage in order to get that accomplished.
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