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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Of course the Republicans.

    The problem now is that the GOP has gerrymandered Congressional districts soo much that they don't care what The People think or what the polls say.

    Most Republicans only have to convince their extremist base in order to keep their seats.

    That's why Boehner is afraid to let the House vote on a clean budget resolution. He knows it may pass with all Democrats and 17 Republicans voting "YES". Then it will pass the Senate in 5 minutes and be signed by Obama in 2 minutes.

    And THAT would piss off Republican extremists. Which means they would nominate more extremists in 2014 and this will lead to more Moderate Democrats winning House seats and a few more Republican extremists winning House seats, neither of which is good for the GOP.

    Boehner is stuck between a rock and a hard place and he doesn't know which is worse.

    He is going to have to choose between pleasing the minority Tea Party or the majority Democrats and Moderate Republicans.

    I think in the end Boehner will make the right choice.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Irrelevant, different system, different laws.



    BS. The Republicans have been compromising with Democrats for 5 years.



    And so no Imperative for the Republicans to work with them. The house funds government, and it's run by Republicans.
    Agreed.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    It is quite apparent that this site attracts far more liberals than conservatives...
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    There's no poll yet but I think it's ridiculous neither side can compromise. Yes, there are provisions that need to be worked out but why did the ones who oppose it not only wait until the last minute but have no alternative to bring to the table. Something needs to be done with healthcare and while Obamacare isn't perfect it's a start and maybe we should give it a try and if it doesn't work, then fix it.
    Here is the problem with that notion. The republicans are not asking that the dems compromise on obamacare they have the very staunch condition that it be delayed. They are wrapping it in lots of distractions but without that concession they won't move. It seems like an issue of not giving in to the bully.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Switching criteria again, the CONCEPT was not new.
    Who cares when the concept came into being? Enacting it in law certainly is new.

    You don't have to purchase anything, your false sense of liberty is still intact, you can still be an irresponsible citizen....if that is what you are arguing for.
    And be penalized for it...i.e. have your liberty infringed for doing so. Just like when you break any other law. Stupid point.

    Children receive, are counted, are funded via their household, whether it is a parent, guardian.....whatever.
    They do not recieve funds from the govt. Period. Your attempt at plucking heartstrings is moot.

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    interpretation: "I only talk about responsibility when it serves my purpose."

    Yes, it was, it still is.
    No, it's a prime example of why your "responsibility" point is irrelevant. You're obviously not concerned with responsibility being enforced in any other circumstance.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    And so no Imperative for the Republicans to work with them. The house funds government, and it's run by Republicans.
    And if the house don't get its way well screw y'all! Liberals should decide what our demands will be the next time we have the house. I say we shut down the government if the GOP won't give in to a 100% death tax on all estates over $500k, a 50% tax on all investment income, and a $20 minimum wage. Yeah, I don't know that the $20 minimum wage has anything to do with funding but it seems about as connected as ACA.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    All we need to do to end this crisis is let the House vote on a clean spending bill that ONLY funds the government and does nothing else.

    Its very simple.

    Why can't Boehner find some courage and do it?

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Agreed.

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    Hey Bodhi! Nope, taking a break from the same old arguments. Been nothing really new there for awhile.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by vvx View Post
    And if the house don't get its way well screw y'all! Liberals should decide what our demands will be the next time we have the house. I say we shut down the government if the GOP won't give in to a 100% death tax on all estates over $500k, a 50% tax on all investment income, and a $20 minimum wage. Yeah, I don't know that the $20 minimum wage has anything to do with funding but it seems about as connected as ACA.
    That's exactly what Harry Reid said, almost verbatim. "Screw Y'all".
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Reid has let the Senate vote time and time again on the House bill.

    Again and again, the Senate has voted to change the House bill into a clean bill and remove all things unrelated to the government's discretionary funding.

    When will Boehner let the House vote on the Senate bill?

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