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Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

Who is at fault for the shutdown?

  • Republicans

    Votes: 87 45.3%

  • Democrats

    Votes: 32 16.7%

  • Both

    Votes: 65 33.9%

  • Neither

    Votes: 8 4.2%
  • Total voters
    192
Jack Hays said:
Or Barack Obama . . .

[h=2]Who shut down Yellowstone?[/h] Charles Krauthammer
Democrats have been unwilling to compromise on Obamacare.:peace
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the GOP wants the Democrats to negotiate on the ACA with a gun to their heads.

no thanks.

Restart the govt. and then we will talk.
 
Jack Hays said:
Why should anyone believe Dems who have refused to talk since 2008?
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that is of course a lie.

restart the govt and then we can talk about adjusting the ACA.
 
Sietske22 said:
the GOP wants the Democrats to negotiate on the ACA with a gun to their heads.

no thanks.

Restart the govt. and then we will talk.
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A gun the democrats loaded and placed to their heads themselves by design. Help them, before that sumbitch goes off all on its own. We know democrats only have little guns, but still....
 
Jack Hays said:
You don't like it, but it's the truth.
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Its not the truth, but a lie.

Obama tried to bring the GOP together on the ACA but they refused to talk about it.
 
Republicans: 86
Democrats: 29
Both: 60
Neither: 7

Interesting. So far, 80% hold Republicans responsible, at least in part; compared to 49% who hold Democrats responsible. Seems there's little difference between this forum and the polls monitoring the rest of the nation.
 
Jack Hays said:
Why should anyone believe Dems who have refused to talk since 2008?
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-----On the Senate side, from June to September, the Senate Finance Committee held a series of 31 meetings to develop of a healthcare reform bill. This group—in particular, Democrats Max Baucus, Jeff Bingaman, and Kent Conrad, and Republicans Mike Enzi, Chuck Grassley, and Olympia Snowe—met for more than 60 hours, and the principles that they discussed, in conjunction with the other committees, became the foundation of the Senate's healthcare reform bill-------

Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Plus there was the big get together Obama had with the Republicans to try to come to a deal.

So yes the Democrats did talk to the Republicans.
 
Sietske22 said:
Its not the truth, but a lie.

Obama tried to bring the GOP together on the ACA but they refused to talk about it.
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To quote from the longer print version of Krauthammer's column in the WaPo:

"The Democrats insist they welcomed contributing ideas from the Republicans. Rubbish. Republicans proposed that insurance be purchasable across state lines. They got nothing. They sought serious tort reform. They got nothing. Why? Because, admitted Howard Dean, Democrats didn't want to offend the trial lawyers. . . . Having stuffed Obamacare down the throats of the GOP and the country, Democrats are now paying the price.":peace
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Republicans: 86
Democrats: 29
Both: 60
Neither: 7

Interesting. So far, 80% hold Republicans responsible, at least in part; compared to 49% who hold Democrats responsible. Seems there's little difference between this forum and the polls monitoring the rest of the nation.
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Yes, this forum is primarily comprised of leftists.
 
Sietske22 said:
-----On the Senate side, from June to September, the Senate Finance Committee held a series of 31 meetings to develop of a healthcare reform bill. This group—in particular, Democrats Max Baucus, Jeff Bingaman, and Kent Conrad, and Republicans Mike Enzi, Chuck Grassley, and Olympia Snowe—met for more than 60 hours, and the principles that they discussed, in conjunction with the other committees, became the foundation of the Senate's healthcare reform bill-------

Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Plus there was the big get together Obama had with the Republicans to try to come to a deal.

So yes the Democrats did talk to the Republicans.
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And again. To quote from the longer print version of Krauthammer's column in the WaPo:

"The Democrats insist they welcomed contributing ideas from the Republicans. Rubbish. Republicans proposed that insurance be purchasable across state lines. They got nothing. They sought serious tort reform. They got nothing. Why? Because, admitted Howard Dean, Democrats didn't want to offend the trial lawyers. . . . Having stuffed Obamacare down the throats of the GOP and the country, Democrats are now paying the price.":peace
 
mac said:
Yes, this forum is primarily comprised of leftists.
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Your poll is similar to national polls. You want to cry that the nation is also primarily comprised of leftists?
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Your poll is similar to national polls. You want to cry that the nation is also primarily comprised of leftists?
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Most likely it will be blamed on mainstream media like Fox, and talk radio
 
Sietske22 said:
the GOP wants the Democrats to negotiate on the ACA with a gun to their heads.

no thanks.

Restart the govt. and then we will talk.
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Who is holding the gun to the Democrat heads? Have you ever seen Blazing Saddles?
 
From WWII Memorial Barricade Wired Shut:

WWII Memorial:

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and the WWI Memorial:

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Kinda looks like the Park Service is trying to cause maximum inconvenience, doncha think?

From The Washington Times: a Park Ranger grouses:
“It’s a cheap way to deal with the situation,” an angry Park Service ranger in Washington says of the harassment. “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”
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Diogenes said:
From WWII Memorial Barricade Wired Shut:

WWII Memorial:

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and the WWI Memorial:

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Kinda looks like the Park Service is trying to cause maximum inconvenience, doncha think?

From The Washington Times: a Park Ranger grouses:
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It is a cheap trick. And they're playing it for anybody who has a camera and a microphone. "No Billy. I know you spent your entire summer vacation just waiting to get into Yellowstone, but the mean old republicans shut it down. Here's a little doll that looks like John Boehner - the guy who caused it. Here's some pins to stick in it. BTW, Billy, he wants to shut down Netflix and all playstations, too. Yeah. The pins aren't big enough. Here's a hammer and some nails." And the low information voter that comprises the left swallows it all and nods in agreement. "Yeah. They're holding little Billy here hostage. Anarchists! Scam bags. Terrorists on a jihad. Let's string 'em up! Where's zat likker bottle? Where's Ted Kennedy when ya need him?"
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Republicans: 86
Democrats: 29
Both: 60
Neither: 7

Interesting. So far, 80% hold Republicans responsible, at least in part; compared to 49% who hold Democrats responsible. Seems there's little difference between this forum and the polls monitoring the rest of the nation.
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And this is relevant how? It's really important to party hackers who don't ever care about doing the right thing. For you, it's about control, power and money.
 
Perotista said:
Up till the government shutdown, I was 100% certain the 2014 election would be all about Obamacare ala 2010 mostly. Now I don't know. Maybe just local issues or who knows what major event or events will take place between now and then that throws everything into a tizzy. I know I posted by 1 Oct update, but if I was to do so today, 4 Oct instead of 1 Oct, I would think the GOP only picks up 3 senate seats and loses perhaps 5 house seats. Who knows, the GOP may even lose the Georgia seat.
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I have complete faith in Repubs that they will continue to provide us with Mourdocks every election.
Boehner's indignation over a WH staffer's "winning" comment pales in comparison to the two KY Senators saying much more.
The blog entry you made Oct. 1st is etched in stone as much as the next mini-CR from the House when they they have sh*t on their face.
I want to see addendums throughout the month, with a new label from you.
Don't let your fan club down.
Keeping this alive every day for 13 months helps the good guys, us Nunn-type Democrats.
 
NIMBY said:
I have complete faith in Repubs that they will continue to provide us with Mourdocks every election.
Boehner's indignation over a WH staffer's "winning" comment pales in comparison to the two KY Senators saying much more.
The blog entry you made Oct. 1st is etched in stone as much as the next mini-CR from the House when they they have sh*t on their face.
I want to see addendums throughout the month, with a new label from you.
Don't let your fan club down.
Keeping this alive every day for 13 months helps the good guys, us Nunn-type Democrats.
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I have missed the level headedness and reasonableness since Sam retired. When in the 90's Georgia had Paul Coverdale and Sam Nunn, a Republican and a Democratic and both worked hard to make the U.S. strong and to take care of its people in the right way. But today I suppose most of the political parties hard cores would classify both as a RINO and a DINO. Talk about leadership needed to do the right thing, both those senators had it.

I think Jimmy Carter was the last Democratic Presidential candidate I voted for. Senator Cleland the last Democratic Senator I voted for, Max replaced Sam Nunn. Representative Richard Ray the last Democratic Representative I voted for. Strange as it may seem, Ray was originally from Perry GA. served as Perry's mayors which was Sam Nunn's home town. But if you note, there wasn't an Atlanta Liberal among those whom I voted for.

But between Reform and Libertarian candidates, I have voted for that many Republicans either. I sure don't like our present Governor.
 
Do you remember "Scoop" Jackson from Washington, the "Senator from Boeing"? Dad loved him.
Repubs are trying to spin that Con Dems are adopting con positions.
That is why they will keep losing close Red races.
I do, however, respect you for being even-handed and level-headed.
Perotista said:
I have missed the level headedness and reasonableness since Sam retired. When in the 90's Georgia had Paul Coverdale and Sam Nunn, a Republican and a Democratic and both worked hard to make the U.S. strong and to take care of its people in the right way. But today I suppose most of the political parties hard cores would classify both as a RINO and a DINO. Talk about leadership needed to do the right thing, both those senators had it.

I think Jimmy Carter was the last Democratic Presidential candidate I voted for. Senator Cleland the last Democratic Senator I voted for, Max replaced Sam Nunn. Representative Richard Ray the last Democratic Representative I voted for. Strange as it may seem, Ray was originally from Perry GA. served as Perry's mayors which was Sam Nunn's home town. But if you note, there wasn't an Atlanta Liberal among those whom I voted for.

But between Reform and Libertarian candidates, I have voted for that many Republicans either. I sure don't like our present Governor.
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NIMBY said:
Do you remember "Scoop" Jackson from Washington, the "Senator from Boeing"? Dad loved him.
Repubs are trying to spin that Con Dems are adopting con positions.
That is why they will keep losing close Red races.
I do, however, respect you for being even-handed and level-headed.
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Sure I remember Scoop Jackson. You could say he was in the same mold as Sam Nunn. He ran for president the same year Jimmy did. All of my old Democratic Icon's are either retired or long dead.
 
Okay. 1) Senate 2) House 3) Governors 4) State legislatures and down..
This is why the Repubs won in 2010..Sen. Kaine was out of his league compared to Michael Steele. Crickets from Repubs.
And Christie over Paul for the 2016, who I could vote for.
Post-season is awesome. Tomahawk-chop
Perotista said:
Sure I remember Scoop Jackson. You could say he was in the same mold as Sam Nunn. He ran for president the same year Jimmy did. All of my old Democratic Icon's are either retired or long dead.
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