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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Obama is at fault. Period, buck stops with him.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    So? Mandated responsibility is new.
    No, actually...it is not.....that was the point Stuart made.

    I suppose you oppose welfare, then?
    ???? that relates to mandated personal responsibility how? If you have a body and you cannot financially fully cover for medical costs.....you should not receive subsidies to do so......but should instead push higher ER costs to the rest of society?
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    The Heritage Foundation has long since backed away from that proposal, and the current system actually bears little resemblance to the one they originally proposed. I would also note that despite the desperation of those who wish to spread the responsibility for the current mess, Romney was hardly conservative, and governed the most liberal state in the country. Somehow, 4 million conservatives noticed that and stayed home for the 2012 election. I guess you didn't notice that, either. My thoughts are well enough organized that I can manage to see a much larger picture than you apparently can. If you don't think the PPACA is a mess, you just haven't been paying attention or are willfully ignoring what is painfully clear to the majority in the country. Furthermore, if you can't see that policy is directed by those with the most power in government, then exactly who do you think is responsible? The minority?
    Lets back up to your original assertion:
    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt
    That could be because the only form of health care discussed was distinctly liberal.
    So even though you acknowledge that the ACA is based on a conservative idea, implemented first by Republicans, you would still argue that the the ONLY form of health care discussed was distinctly liberal? ...sigh

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Personally I think the mumblings are an attempt to shift blame when it all goes pear-shaped.
    It has already happened. Blame is the main game now. Wheel of Blame would make an excellent TV game show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    No, actually...it is not.....that was the point Stuart made.
    That doesn't make it true. Forcing people to be financially responsible is an infringement on liberty, and anti-American.

    ???? that relates to mandated personal responsibility how? If you have a body and you cannot financially fully cover for medical costs.....you should not receive subsidies to do so......but should instead push higher ER costs to the rest of society?
    Financial responsibility, more accurately: lack of it, is a major factor affecting those that draw welfare. Are you going to outlaw 20in wheels?
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    It has already happened. Blame is the main game now. Wheel of Blame would make an excellent TV game show.
    Well, I have to admit....no President in my lifetime has pointed more fingers than Obama has....Republican or Democrat.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Lets back up to your original assertion:


    So even though you acknowledge that the ACA is based on a conservative idea, implemented first by Republicans, you would still argue that the the ONLY form of health care discussed was distinctly liberal? ...sigh
    No. First I haven't admitted that the ACA is a conservative idea. That's your assertion. I agreed that it was perhaps based on an idea from a conservative think tank - not that it was conservative. I also pointed out that the correspondence between what Heritage proposed and what the ACA actually is, are seriously different. Again, as I mentioned, Romney, though Republican in name, is as much a republican as Nelson Rockefeller was. Hardly conservative, which is why I pointed out in my "jumble of unrelated thoughts" that 4 million conservatives were estimated to have stayed home last November. Now, if you would go back and read the link I posted earlier - something you obviously haven't, or won't - you would understand that I'm stating what has been witnessed by C-Span - that member of the vast right wing conspiracy.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    That doesn't make it true. Forcing people to be financially responsible is an infringement on liberty, and anti-American.



    Financial responsibility, more accurately: lack of it, is a major factor affecting those that draw welfare. Are you going to outlaw 20in wheels?
    Please do! Please Please Please

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    No. First I haven't admitted that the ACA is a conservative idea. That's your assertion. I agreed that it was an idea from a conservative think tank - not that it was conservative. I also pointed out that the correspondence between what Heritage proposed and what the ACA actually is, are seriously different. Again, as I mentioned, Romney, though Republican in name, is as much a republican as Nelson Rockefeller was. Hardly conservative, which is why I pointed out in my "jumble of unrelated thoughts" that 4 million conservatives were estimated to have stayed home last November. Now, if you would go back and read the link I posted earlier - something you obviously haven't, or won't - you would understand that I'm stating what has been witnessed by C-Span - that member of the vast right wing conspiracy.
    And if those four million conservatives had voted for Romney then the outcome might have been different, ACA might have already been repealed and the country might be much better off.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    But the version of the health insurance mandate Heritage and I supported in the 1990s had three critical features. First, it was not primarily intended to push people to obtain protection for their own good, but to protect others. Like auto damage liability insurance required in most states, our requirement focused on "catastrophic" costs — so hospitals and taxpayers would not have to foot the bill for the expensive illness or accident of someone who did not buy insurance."
    So how am I (or anyone else) being "protected" by being required to buy health policies loaded down with provisions I neither want nor need?
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