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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    And never made it into the plank.
    *Massachusetts*
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    And never made it into the plank.
    Ah, but you understand that when things like the ACA appear to be going south somewhat, mumblings and ramblings of miscellaneous "conservatives" are sifted through in order to find a basis for claiming that it was "their - the conservatives" idea. The list of excuses is growing longer with each passing day.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    It is a cross between blackmail and terrorism.
    I wouldnt call it terrorism but i would call it blackmail and also idiocracy.


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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by francois60 View Post
    The only way to change ACA is to turn it into the Heritage version of the program and cut out all the unnecessary mandates, ....
    Uh....the Heritage version had the individual mandate.

    It is so typical seeing libertarians getting history wrong time and again.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Mandated auto insurance is optional...you do not have to own/drive a car.
    Agreed. The mandated auto insurance is only for liability. There is no mandate for you to carry collision insurance and there is no mandate that your auto insurance cover gas, oil, tires and maintenance - which is effectively what the ObamaCare program mandates.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Again, I will ask.

    Isn't anybody here angry that Obama gave corporations a one year pass on the mandate but shut down the governemnt because he didn't want to do the same for individuals?

    Individuals, you know the Little people Obama always talks about helping, will have to pay for the whole thing while corporations get to wait a year.

    Just before the shut down the two ítems of contention were the one year delay for the individual mandate and having the congressional staff subject to the same Obamacare that everybody else is.

    Who can argue that those are unreasonable requests and worthy of shutting down the government on the part of the President?

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Agreed. The mandated auto insurance is only for liability. There is no mandate for you to carry collision insurance and there is no mandate that your auto insurance cover gas, oil, tires and maintenance - which is effectively what the ObamaCare program mandates.

    "The confusion arises from the fact that 20 years ago, I held the view that as a technical matter, some form of requirement to purchase insurance was needed in a near-universal insurance market to avoid massive instability through "adverse selection" (insurers avoiding bad risks and healthy people declining coverage). At that time, President Clinton was proposing a universal health care plan, and Heritage and I devised a viable alternative.

    My view was shared at the time by many conservative experts, including American Enterprise Institute (AEI) scholars, as well as most non-conservative analysts. Even libertarian-conservative icon Milton Friedman, in a 1991 Wall Street Journal article, advocated replacing Medicare and Medicaid "with a requirement that every U.S. family unit have a major medical insurance policy."
    My idea was hardly new. Heritage did not invent the individual mandate.

    But the version of the health insurance mandate Heritage and I supported in the 1990s had three critical features. First, it was not primarily intended to push people to obtain protection for their own good, but to protect others. Like auto damage liability insurance required in most states, our requirement focused on "catastrophic" costs — so hospitals and taxpayers would not have to foot the bill for the expensive illness or accident of someone who did not buy insurance."

    Don't blame Heritage for ObamaCare mandate
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Again, the concept of financial responsibility is not new, not unique to Dems or the GOP.
    So? Mandated responsibility is new.

    I suppose you oppose welfare, then?
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    *Massachusetts*
    Hardly an example of the Republican plank.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Ah, but you understand that when things like the ACA appear to be going south somewhat, mumblings and ramblings of miscellaneous "conservatives" are sifted through in order to find a basis for claiming that it was "their - the conservatives" idea. The list of excuses is growing longer with each passing day.
    Personally I think the mumblings are an attempt to shift blame when it all goes pear-shaped.
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