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    GBR - Do you think British Nationals (Overseas) should have the right of abode in UK?

    simple question: Do you think, the existing some 3.4 million of British nationals (Overseas) should be given back the right of abode in the United Kingdom? which right was ceased upon them through a series of amendments in the British Nationality Law dated back to the 60s till the 90s. It has been a long time since I was last here on d forum, my attitude has changed along with my age. but I still think its an obligation that the British government has to honour, to restore a basic human right - right to land - to its people.

    UK Border Agency | Who is a British national (overseas)?

    We were given this bizarre category of British nationality - BNO, abbreviation for British Nationals Overseas. I call it "Britain says NO". a British passport, for British nationals, who are also Commonwealth citizens, but not British citizens, WITH NO right of abode in the UK.

    Gibraltarians, Falklanders, Bermudans have all been given the right to register as British Citizens (BC) which enables the right to live in the United Kingdom through the British Overseas Territories Act 2002, but this act explicitly states it DOESNT apply to the British nationals via connection with Hong Kong.

    British Overseas Territories Act 2002

    The British government in 2008 directed Lord Goldsmith QC to write an analytic report regarding British citizenships in response to House of Commons' request.
    Here is what he says: dont bother to read it if you cant be arsed
    "From discussions that I have had in Hong Kong, it is clear to me that the demand for BN(O) status is dropping. Nonetheless to remove this status without putting something significant in its place would be seen as the British reneging on their promise to the people of Hong Kong. The only option which would be characterized as fair would be to offer existing BN(O) holders the right to gain full British citizenship. It is likely that many would not take this up as the prospects economic and fiscal of moving to the UK are not favourable to those well-established in Hong Kong.However, I am advised that this would be a breach of the commitments made between China and the UK in the 1984 Joint Declaration on the future of Hong Kong, an international treaty between the two countries; and that to secure Chinese agreement to vary the terms of that treaty would not be possible. On that basis, I see no alternative but to preserve this one anomalous category of citizenship."

    http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-file...eport-full.pdf

    France, for example, does not categorise its overseas citizens into second classes. whether they are citizens of Reunion, which is 5700 miles away from mainland France in the southern tip of Africa, or some 9700 miles away in French Polynesia in the Pacific. They are ALL good auld French citizens.

    so what are your thoughts? do you think its time the British government to right the wrong? or they should hand off those British overseas nationals? all comments are welcome, just would like to gather what you all think. cheers.
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    Re: GBR - Do you think British Nationals (Overseas) should have the right of abode in

    .... You aren't given BNO status. You have to register for it.
    Stormfront trolls are despicable people.

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    yeah I suppose, you are right. I remember me mom told me about the sweat and tears how she brought me the infant with d giant buggy to the Crown immigration department to register becoming British National Overseas. everybody born in Hong Kong before the Chinese takeover was a BDTC (British dependent territory citizen), if you didnt register to become a BNO, and also there was this British nationality scheme which enabled some 40 thousand families in Hong Kong to become full British citizens. auh jaysus my head is wrecked with all these British nationalities, wouldnt it be wise if there was only one?

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    Re: GBR - Do you think British Nationals (Overseas) should have the right of abode in

    Quote Originally Posted by frederick666 View Post
    yeah I suppose, you are right. I remember me mom told me about the sweat and tears how she brought me the infant with d giant buggy to the Crown immigration department to register becoming British National Overseas. everybody born in Hong Kong before the Chinese takeover was a BDTC (British dependent territory citizen), if you didnt register to become a BNO, and also there was this British nationality scheme which enabled some 40 thousand families in Hong Kong to become full British citizens. auh jaysus my head is wrecked with all these British nationalities, wouldnt it be wise if there was only one?
    Hopefully Hong Kong gains it's freedom 2047 and is not stuck as part of China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Hopefully Hong Kong gains it's freedom 2047 and is not stuck as part of China.
    its game over for Hong Kong. Tens of thousands of wealthy Hongkongers flew abroad, the lucky ones who got full British citizenship went to Britain, some went to other Commonwealth countries primarily to Canada and Australia. the Chinese government will never give us universal suffrage which has been demanded for ages. the political democratic system has given way to the communist oppression. sigh.........its sad to see a wealthy, free, democratic civilised society falls into a hand of a red dictator regime. thats why I left too.

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    Re: GBR - Do you think British Nationals (Overseas) should have the right of abode in

    Quote Originally Posted by frederick666 View Post
    its game over for Hong Kong. Tens of thousands of wealthy Hongkongers flew abroad, the lucky ones who got full British citizenship went to Britain, some went to other Commonwealth countries primarily to Canada and Australia. the Chinese government will never give us universal suffrage which has been demanded for ages. the political democratic system has given way to the communist oppression. sigh.........its sad to see a wealthy, free, democratic civilised society falls into a hand of a red dictator regime. thats why I left too.
    Considering how much change has happened in China in the last 30 years maybe by the time 2047 rolls around China might be open to independence negotiations. Hong Kong has the money to do it also what the hell are they going to do if they deny independence, invade it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Considering how much change has happened in China in the last 30 years maybe by the time 2047 rolls around China might be open to independence negotiations.
    Hong Kong, a perfect reflection of how fragile and vulnerable a democratic society is once fell under a red-blooded communist state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frederick666 View Post
    Hong Kong, a perfect reflection of how fragile and vulnerable a democratic society is once fell under a red-blooded communist state.
    What will the Chinese do, invade it or what?

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    suppression on the mind. they attempt every way they can to restrain and limit the tiny bit of freedom we have. People are afraid to voice our true thoughts. local businesses, media, governmental institutions, praising, justifying, kissing the arses off the Chinese government, making an impress hoping to make a few quid off this emerging economy......the list goes on and on, I recently went to Northern Ireland for a lovely holiday, and I sympathise the British loyalist community up there, I envy, I envy their dedication to fight for what their beliefs are and their national identity. only if the people of Hong Kong had the audacity of the Ulster people......

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    Re: GBR - Do you think British Nationals (Overseas) should have the right of abode in

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Considering how much change has happened in China in the last 30 years maybe by the time 2047 rolls around China might be open to independence negotiations. Hong Kong has the money to do it also what the hell are they going to do if they deny independence, invade it?
    Oh well, being thrown from a free society straight into a communist prison, left there for 16 years, 34 years to go, and after all that there MIGHT just be NEGOTIATIONS for a bail-out, it all sounds promising to you, huh? What about now? What about the people there now?

    It is impossible that the three million people will land in Britain overnight - some of them might still feel they have a great life in Hong Kong - going yum-cha every morning and watching local TV soap operas every night - and perhaps happily ever after. But they should be given a lifeline when things go worse and their way of life and basic human rights are threatened and stolen by the communists, a violation of the Sino-British Joint Declaration of which Britain is a signatory.

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