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    Re: Who are our representatives responsible to?

    They should be responsible to the party as only through the strength of numbers can they defeat the evil that is embodied in the other side. Party leaders know what is best and they are the source of power and influence of their members. How effective a member of Congress can you be when you have the longest walk to the chambers?

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    Re: Who are our representatives responsible to?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Yeah, you never made comments blah blah blah.......Wiseone meme. Americans are stupid blah blah blah.....must control them for their own good.
    If you consider the dichotomy between Congress having a 90%+/- disapproval rate and a 90%+/- re-election rate, then I'm sorry, but I have to question the intelligence of the average American as well.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Who are our representatives responsible to?

    In my view, representatives are responsible to the truth and the people who elected them. Initially, that would be the party representatives who primaried them into the election contest. Secondly, it would be the general electorate in the district where they ran and got elected. If the electorate properly vets the people they elect, there should be no surprises. Now, the people who didn't vote for the person can be rightly upset when the person acts and votes contrary to their beliefs, but not if the person acts and votes in the same manner as they had promised to do when seeking votes.

    It's not my country, but it's always bothered me when watching American politics and elections that the media and talking heads always claim that a candidate tells one story about themselves to get the nomination and then another story about themselves to get elected in their district, state, or the country at large. This concept of "tacking to the middle" once you get the nomination is inherently dishonest and one of the main reasons why politicians are viewed as scum by so many people.

    It may be noble naivette, but I'd much rather see a candidate speak the truth as he/she sees it and lose on that basis than to have a candidate tell the electorate what they want to hear and then go to Washington and do the opposite because "they're doing what they think is right" - no, what they're doing is being dishonest and that's why many get primaried out next time around.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Who are our representatives responsible to?

    Constitutionally our representatives are responsible to the People. In practice they are responsible to Big Business.










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    Re: Who are our representatives responsible to?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    In my view, representatives are responsible to the truth and the people who elected them. Initially, that would be the party representatives who primaried them into the election contest. Secondly, it would be the general electorate in the district where they ran and got elected. If the electorate properly vets the people they elect, there should be no surprises. Now, the people who didn't vote for the person can be rightly upset when the person acts and votes contrary to their beliefs, but not if the person acts and votes in the same manner as they had promised to do when seeking votes.

    It's not my country, but it's always bothered me when watching American politics and elections that the media and talking heads always claim that a candidate tells one story about themselves to get the nomination and then another story about themselves to get elected in their district, state, or the country at large. This concept of "tacking to the middle" once you get the nomination is inherently dishonest and one of the main reasons why politicians are viewed as scum by so many people.

    It may be noble naivette, but I'd much rather see a candidate speak the truth as he/she sees it and lose on that basis than to have a candidate tell the electorate what they want to hear and then go to Washington and do the opposite because "they're doing what they think is right" - no, what they're doing is being dishonest and that's why many get primaried out next time around.
    Good post.

    The subject of your second paragraph drives me up the wall. Even more so that people fall for it!

    You have to run to the left/right in the primaries, then move to the center in the general election. I mean, WTF?!? That means that at some point you (the candidate) were lying. I don't want a lying candidate. That means I have a lying representative.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Who are our representatives responsible to?

    Quote Originally Posted by francois60 View Post
    I think you're right about part of it, but you seem to put too much faith in the ability of experts to advise Congressmen. First, experts are chosen for political loyalty above all, much as generals in banana republics are chosen for their loyalty rather than their actual ability to command troops in the field. Second, the advice given to Congressmen is only as useful as the weight they put on it. If what important constituencies want is of more interest to a Congressman than good expert advice, the expert is just talking to himself.

    Finally, when legislating on various subjects, there are no experts greater than those actually involved in the subject, as in doing, rather than just thinking about it. For example, if you're going to regulate oil drilling, who do you get for expert advice? If you don't get oil drillers, then you aren't getting the best advice. But if you do get oil drillers, is it a conflict of interest? Ross Perot used to famously point out that when Hillary Clinton was putting together her health care plan, there were no doctors on her committee for fear of there being a conflict of interest. But without doctors' input, how useful is a health care plan likely to be?

    Despite these problems, this is why we have representative government though. We pay people to immerse themselves in these issues because we don't have time to do it. Now if only these Congressmen would a) actually do their homework, and b) stay out of things they don't understand. Watching 70-year old men try to regulate the internet is hilarious to most of us, especially when they actually start talking about it in public: "you see, it runs on tubes." But most of the things they try to legislate on they don't know anything about, and often it would be better if they just left well enough alone.
    I totally agree, what I described is how it should work, but obviously that's not really the case. Ignorant voters will drive Congressmen to do stupid things, its a real shame, although of course ultimately the voters must decide who will represent them but I don't think most voters have a realistic understanding of what it takes to accomplish what they want or what it looks like once they really accomplish it.

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    Re: Who are our representatives responsible to?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I totally agree, what I described is how it should work, but obviously that's not really the case. Ignorant voters will drive Congressmen to do stupid things, its a real shame, although of course ultimately the voters must decide who will represent them but I don't think most voters have a realistic understanding of what it takes to accomplish what they want or what it looks like once they really accomplish it.
    I agree that's part of it. Really, it's a much more complex and stressful job than the average person is aware.

    But, the other part is that voters... for good or for bad... are inherently selfish. They/we decry wasteful government spending then turn right around and reward them for bringing wasteful spending home to us. We can kick and scream and point fingers all we want. Actions speak louder than words and our actions state very clearly that we want them to do these things.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Who are our representatives responsible to?

    Voters are actually less selfish than commonly believed, but politicians want to increase selfishness because it creates a more reliable base for them. Get people dependent on benefits, subsidies, or tax credits, and they are no longer free to vote anything other than their individual interest.

    Any voter who cannot vote against the party that provides them with something of monetary value is no longer free. They are owned by a political party.

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