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    Re: Will there be a Government shut down tonight?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Yeah it does. Call Congress at ten pm.

    Servicemen aren't government, they work for the government. I do serve i am a peace officer, even though I work at night and in weekends I know the government doesn't.



    So you think that Congress "is" the government?

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    Re: Will there be a Government shut down tonight?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    I didn't say anything about starvation and death,
    You know that a lot of progressive/liberal people do though, right? How many times per day are anti-welfare conservatives asked "should they just die in the streets??" I see it all the time.

    but two missed house payments can be difficult to make up and two missed utility and telephone bills will be a BIG problem...How about no water or garbage pickup?
    Well that's right in line with what I was saying. What has happened with people that they live so close to the edge of catastrophe at all times? Why do they willingly live right the edge of their means or beyond? (I actually have quite a few thoughts about why they do, but I'll ask rhetorically for now)

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    Re: Will there be a Government shut down tonight?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    So you think that Congress "is" the government?
    no, actually the people are. But the federal end of it will be shutting down.

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    Re: Will there be a Government shut down tonight?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    You know that a lot of progressive/liberal people do though, right? How many times per day are anti-welfare conservatives asked "should they just die in the streets??" I see it all the time.



    Well that's right in line with what I was saying. What has happened with people that they live so close to the edge of catastrophe at all times? Why do they willingly live right the edge of their means or beyond? (I actually have quite a few thoughts about why they do, but I'll ask rhetorically for now)


    Well, lower wages maybe, along with rising costs on everything....not able to maintain a savings account or make any money on one if you have one.. They haven't gone to the edge, the edge has come into them...

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    Re: Will there be a Government shut down tonight?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Well, lower wages maybe, along with rising costs on everything...
    If you look over the course of a hundred years or more, you'll see people used to be a lot poorer, with much lower standard of living, and yet were much more independent in meeting their own needs. Wages may have stagnated or dropped in real terms, but the standard of living has been increasing at the same time. Compare today's working poor to the poor homesteaders of 150 years ago, and the difference in technology and the lack of any social safety net reveals the poor back then were unfathomably worse off and yet were more independent in meeting their needs (out of necessity). This leads me to wonder if the poor might actually NOT die en masse in the streets if the social safety net went away, rather they would simply return to a standard of living we haven't seen among our poor for a hundred years or more.

    not able to maintain a savings account or make any money on one if you have one..
    This suggests criticism of our monetary policies. Could it be that we agree that our monetary policies suck?

    They haven't gone to the edge, the edge has come into them...
    Maybe it's both. Maybe it's really difficult to resist living at the edge of your means when technology kicks as much ass as it does today, plus with a widening social safety net, maybe it removes the fear of failure a bit?

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    Re: Will there be a Government shut down tonight?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    If you look over the course of a hundred years or more, you'll see people used to be a lot poorer, with much lower standard of living, and yet were much more independent in meeting their own needs. Wages may have stagnated or dropped in real terms, but the standard of living has been increasing at the same time. Compare today's working poor to the poor homesteaders of 150 years ago, and the difference in technology and the lack of any social safety net reveals the poor back then were unfathomably worse off and yet were more independent in meeting their needs (out of necessity). This leads me to wonder if the poor might actually NOT die en masse in the streets if the social safety net went away, rather they would simply return to a standard of living we haven't seen among our poor for a hundred years or more.



    This suggests criticism of our monetary policies. Could it be that we agree that our monetary policies suck?



    Maybe it's both. Maybe it's really difficult to resist living at the edge of your means when technology kicks as much ass as it does today, plus with a widening social safety net, maybe it removes the fear of failure a bit?



    Society was different then..Families lived close to one another in mostly ethnic neighborhoods..Each neighborhood was a "village" unto itself...and it cared for itself.....

    Low interest rates may be great for homebuyers, but hell on people trying to save a buck.

    The safety net is imperative for those who have fallen and are falling through the cracks.. You may think that you will never need a helping hand, then--voila--you do...

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    Re: Will there be a Government shut down tonight?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Boehner is a good man in a bad job. And once again, the opposite of what Navy said happens.
    ... having watched more severe indictments of him in the past, I want to note that Navy is an elder and helped give the younger generations the world we inherited. It comes with flaws, and he is flawed, but it is moral to show respect to people who have played such a role regardless of whether or not their actions or words perfectly fit our perception of meritorious behavior. Gifts are gifts, even if they come with dents, and our lives are gifts from our ancestors.
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    Re: Will there be a Government shut down tonight?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Society was different then..Families lived close to one another in mostly ethnic neighborhoods..Each neighborhood was a "village" unto itself...and it cared for itself.....
    So why don't we organize and relocalize our economies to the neighborhood level and meet our own needs cooperatively on small scales again? Rebuild community with people we personally know. Relying on politicians, lobbyists and bankers to build our macro- safety net is not the way to go.

    Low interest rates may be great for homebuyers, but hell on people trying to save a buck.
    It must be said: the liberal Keynesian macroeconomic platform viciously punishes savers by promoting debt and consumerism with deep deficits, loose monetary policies (ZIRP/QE) and welfarism. Liberals should be divided about this the way conservatives are divided between Republicanism and libertarianism.
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    Re: Will there be a Government shut down tonight?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    So why don't we organize and relocalize our economies to the neighborhood level and meet our own needs cooperatively on small scales again? Rebuild community with people we personally know. Relying on politicians, lobbyists and bankers to build our macro- safety net is not the way to go. It must be said: the liberal Keynesian macroeconomic platform viciously punishes savers by promoting debt and consumerism with deep deficits, loose monetary policies (ZIRP/QE) and welfarism. Liberals should be divided about this the way conservatives are divided between Republicanism and libertarianism.
    Because national and global power and economic structures are heavily organized against it. Local power should be asserted wherever possible, but it isn't viable at this juncture.
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    Re: Will there be a Government shut down tonight?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Because national and global power and economic structures are heavily organized against it. Local power should be asserted wherever possible, but it isn't viable at this juncture.
    So we have no choice but to succumb to national and global power structures?

    Weak.

    Apparently we need to become a lot more oppressed than we are yet before we'll mix **** up.

    We don't need local power to defeat national/global power. We simply need local resourcefulness to ignore and forego all the "help" the globalists are "so kindly" offering.
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