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Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

Is our civilisation pathetic?

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The Mark said:
Head of State =/= Sole leader.
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well, it whether you like it or not, all countries in the west have a single person in the highest leaderhship position. So a single leader.

It's quite lame, I know, but it is the truth.
Unbelievably so..

Personally I don't want a system where we have a single leader or any single person representing the leadership of the country. It's a deeply flawed system.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
well, it whether you like it or not, all countries in the west have a single person in the highest leadership position. So a single leader.

It's quite lame, I know, but it is the truth.
Unbelievably so..

Personally I don't want a system where we have a single leader or any single person representing the leadership of the country. It's a deeply flawed system.
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Sigh.

Just because someone is head of state, leader of the executive branch, the commander in chief of the military, and so forth, does not mean he/she is the SOLE LEADER OF THE COUNTRY.

Highest leadership position, yes. Sole leader, no.

THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
well, it whether you like it or not, all countries in the west have a single person in the highest leaderhship position. So a single leader.

It's quite lame, I know, but it is the truth.
Unbelievably so..

Personally I don't want a system where we have a single leader or any single person representing the leadership of the country. It's a deeply flawed system.
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If you had an accurate description of our system, yes, it would be deeply flawed. What you're describing, however, is best called a dictatorship.
 
The Mark said:
That's basically what I was trying to say to MZ (I made his name an acronym because I am lazy).
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You are too lazy to write:

Maximus Zeebra

so you write:

(I made his name an acronym because I am lazy)

Instead? Which is longer? :lol:
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
well, it whether you like it or not, all countries in the west have a single person in the highest leaderhship position. So a single leader.

It's quite lame, I know, but it is the truth.
Unbelievably so..

Personally I don't want a system where we have a single leader or any single person representing the leadership of the country. It's a deeply flawed system.
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So, you're just going to keep posting ignorant things and insist you're right no matter what. Leonardo would be proud. (Perhaps you think that was his style as well.)
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Really?

So you would be the exact same person if you grew up in caveman world, Italy in the 1500s or China, North Korea, Sweden, or the US today?

None of those societies would at all affect the way a person behaves?

Humans are definetely a result of the society and system they grow up in.
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You are missing the point. Humans running the society are what would change me. There is no society without the humans. In a cave man world run by humans I would be a cave man. In this society I am me.
 
Bodhisattva said:
You are too lazy to write:

Maximus Zeebra

so you write:

(I made his name an acronym because I am lazy)

Instead? Which is longer? :lol:
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Sometimes I am intentionally ridiculous.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I knew that you knew...
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I suspected that you knew I knew, but as indicated by my first word choice, was unsure whether you actually knew or did not know that I knew.
 
The Mark said:
I suspected that you knew I knew, but as indicated by my first word choice, was unsure whether you actually knew or did not know that I knew.
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This could get ugly... :lol:
 
The Mark said:
Sigh.

Just because someone is head of state, leader of the executive branch, the commander in chief of the military, and so forth, does not mean he/she is the SOLE LEADER OF THE COUNTRY.

Highest leadership position, yes. Sole leader, no.

THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING.
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I never said sole leader. I said THE leader. But anyways. I am all for a society without any single leader at all. I don't think thats democracy, its more like monkey business.
 
Harshaw said:
So, you're just going to keep posting ignorant things and insist you're right no matter what. Leonardo would be proud. (Perhaps you think that was his style as well.)
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And I am proud of myself when I see how far you got. Very much so. In fact, I am so proud that I would say I am a Leonardo debating some street urchin.

Leonardo would say it a hopeless task. But I have hope in every individual, even you.
 
Bodhisattva said:
You are missing the point. Humans running the society are what would change me. There is no society without the humans. In a cave man world run by humans I would be a cave man. In this society I am me.
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But the YOU are different than the YOu would be in a different world, thus YOU are a result of the society. I don't know how you can even try to deny that. Mind you, I am not saying you are fully and only a result of the society you live in. But do remember, everything from your schooling, to your daily life and how you view the world around you is very strongly affected by what society you live in. This is why people in different societies even in this world where everything is quite similar, can have such extremely different views.

Imagine what YOU would be if YOU grew up in a far better society.

Imagine what Mr Terrorist from Pakistan would be if he grew up in a different society. You ultimately are a result of the society you grow up in, it affects you deeply and widely.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Don't go thinking parliamentary democracy is better, it isn't. As soon as someone get a majority there, they can propose and pass anything that they please. They are pretty much given the power to dictate.
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You don't know what a dictator is, do you?
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
And I am proud of myself when I see how far you got. Very much so. In fact, I am so proud that I would say I am a Leonardo debating some street urchin.

Leonardo would say it a hopeless task. But I have hope in every individual, even you.
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Yes, I know how right you think you are.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Ofcourse it can. But who would be so foolish to try to provoke?
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It isn't foolish to provoke...

But the YOU are different than the YOu would be in a different world, thus YOU are a result of the society. I don't know how you can even try to deny that. Mind you, I am not saying you are fully and only a result of the society you live in. But do remember, everything from your schooling, to your daily life and how you view the world around you is very strongly affected by what society you live in. This is why people in different societies even in this world where everything is quite similar, can have such extremely different views.

Imagine what YOU would be if YOU grew up in a far better society.

Imagine what Mr Terrorist from Pakistan would be if he grew up in a different society. You ultimately are a result of the society you grow up in, it affects you deeply and widely.
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There is not such thing as a society without PEOPLE!!

Aaahhhh!! Nevermind.
 
People = Society, and Society = People.

You cannot separate the two, or say that the influence involved is one-way.
 
Bodhisattva said:
It isn't foolish to provoke...



There is not such thing as a society without PEOPLE!!

Aaahhhh!! Nevermind.
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Perhaps Maximus has in mind a society of zebras, or perhaps meerkats, or prairie dogs, or something.
 
The Mark said:
People = Society, and Society = People.

You cannot separate the two, or say that the influence involved is one-way.
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Humans affect humans... not society.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Perhaps Maximus has in mind a society of zebras, or perhaps meerkats, or prairie dogs, or something.
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He has in mind a utopia of perfection based off of European liberalism... some Star Trek fantasy world where people have evolved away from greed, anger, desire, etc.
 
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