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Yes, I'm disconnected from reality. You figured it out!
I suppose I did since you concur.
Yes, I'm disconnected from reality. You figured it out!
You could always move to a deserted island where there is no government. And, to the benefit of us all, stay there.
...who is the rude one?
Germany has a fantastic healthcare system in my opinion. And one of the most innovative and efficient ones as well.
I am for open healthcare. And I am happy the US is taking steps in the right direction on this.
What does open healthcare mean?
Secondly, the US is not going for universal healthcare with obamacare. All obamacare does is make people who don't want to have private insurance get private insurance and up the premiums on those who already have it. It does one good thing and that is allowing people with pre-existing conditions get healthcare. But that one good thing is drowned by all the bad thing it brings. What good is having insurance if you're going to go broke PAYING it. Before you went broke if you had to go to the hospital and didn't have healthcare, now you're going broke before you even get to the hospital.
It's not universal healthcare. It's mandatory insurance. And that means that private insurance corporations will make a killing.
That it's open to everyone.
I agree, but it is a good first step. The US just need to end the closed door policy and the huge bills to private individuals to attend to their health.
I agree, but it is a good first step. The US just need to end the closed door policy and the huge bills to private individuals to attend to their health.
It is, but it's unrealistic to think everyone or even most people would. In a case of anarchy too, those who do survive are the ones who care the least usually. They are the ones willing to go to extremes to get what they want obviously. Especially those who are desperate.
Yes, we have.Wow, wohooo.. We have come so far..
I'm not the one proclaiming that modern civilization is "pathetic." It looks to me like you're the pessimist here.I don't agree with that assessment. I guess I have a higher view of and hope for humanity than you do.
Again, we are actually improving, because of societal steps.I think that is an essential next step for humanity. To mature and outgrow all of those pity problems.
Uh huh. I notice you're long on criticism, short on actual policies. Care to explain how you convince everyone to hug and distribute puppies all day long?We can easily eradicate those things if we want.
The political class doesn't "own" us. I don't believe that's the case even for a lot of people I disagree with politically.It is a fantasy yes, because the political class who own all of you, even your ideas, they seem to not want that.
Here's a transcript of a lecture he did, based on his work. It's a much faster read than the book.Perhaps I will take you up on that.
Open, do you mean universal healthcare? You need to be more specific because you are using terms that are not interchangeable.
And how is it a good first step?
If we give people free scripts, they'll just end up posting on the internet and annoying everyone with their insanity.
Yeah, exactly, that is what you are doing. I haven't seen anything interesting coming from you here.
So, there is an unsubcribe button for those that are so far inside he box that they will never come out.
I'm not the one proclaiming that modern civilization is "pathetic." It looks to me like you're the pessimist here.
It's also very clear that, for example, deception is not going away. Anyone who has kids knows that it doesn't take long for the kid to attempt lying to the parents -- or that parents frequently feel compelled to lie to their children.
Deception is a common tactic, and one that works fairly well, observed all throughout the animal kingdom. There's no way you can stop people from lying, unless you develop a completely oppressive and draconian society.
I.e. if you're going to allow people to be free, you have to accept that people are going to do things you don't like.
Again, we are actually improving, because of societal steps.
You also have to realize that while humans do respond to social conditions, we are also hard-wired in many respects. E.g. you cannot talk people out of dividing into "us and them." While the criteria is flexible, the desire to divide social groups into "in-group" and "out-group" is almost certainly a hard-wired human response.
Uh huh. I notice you're long on criticism, short on actual policies. Care to explain how you convince everyone to hug and distribute puppies all day long?
The political class doesn't "own" us. I don't believe that's the case even for a lot of people I disagree with politically.
Nor do you have any sort of special privileged access to True Freedom, that no one else has. You just have a rhetorical flourish that you can invoke when you are unable to prove your assertions.
Here's a transcript of a lecture he did, based on his work. It's a much faster read than the book.
A History of Violence Edge Master Class 2011 | Edge.org
Jogging is not only benefitial to me, but also to our society. They never teach such things in school.
Good.
Stick around here and you will get a lot of that, whether you like it or not.
I don't want to try.
And yet, you openly insult people who don't agree with you. h'mNah, I am the one who believes in a better world. I have high hopes and view on humankind.
No, what I believe is that the world has actually improved, measurably and significantly so. There is room for more improvement. However, certain things (like deception) will never go away.You think our current pathetic civilisation is great or you have no hope in human kind to do any better than we are. Which is tragic and clearly an example of someone who have no faith in humanity.
So, that's a "no" on your having kids then.That is a result of their environment, not their human nature. It doesn't have to be that way. But usually kids are afraid of parents if they do something wrong, and are compelled to use a construction of our civilisation to get out of that, lying.
1) Monkeys are quite intelligent.Are you saying we are are stupid as monkeys? That we cannot do better? Thats a dark view on humanity that I do not share.
So they can be free, but only if they restrict their behavior per your personal preferences? That doesn't sound like "freedom" to me.Thats not up to me, its up to all of us. Personally, I want my kids to grow up in a free world where they can become anything that they want.
You're missing the point. I am not saying that there are definitive groups, in fact I stated that the criteria for group membership is flexible. I'm pointing out how human beings have an innate propensity to divide themselves up to "us and them." E.g. in the Robbers Cave experiment, a group of kids with highly similar backgrounds were divided into two groups. The counselors were able to quickly guide the kids into forming group identities, and pit the two groups against one another; they were equally successful at unifying the two groups. I.e. you can change the content of the groups, but you cannot wipe out the idea of "group membership" altogether.We are all us. We live on the same planet, there is no us and them.
And how does this happen again? Especially since in such a world, a handful of brutes can easily take control of those who are busy hugging puppies.If everyone grew up in an open world where they have everything they need we would have far more social harmony. It is a place where everyone would automatically be the friend of everyone else, because it makes no sense not to be.
Yep.I wasnt trying to come up with practical examples. Are you asking for some?
Of course I do. Granted, my power is shared with around 300 million of my fellow citizens. But I can vote, I can advocate, I can discuss, I can protest, I can bring lawsuits, I can organize. If I am sufficiently motivated, I can join the political class.They own the system. You have no influence on that systems....
The problem is that you know nothing of my background, nothing about the political ideas I've been exposed to, and your only criteria is whether or not someone agrees with you.Did I say I was free? I live in the same system as you, and I am equally trapped by it. I am probably more open minded than you though, which makes me more free to understanding true freedom.
The US is getting better about teaching kids the benefits of exercise and eating healthy, and there is a lot of discussion of it in the media. It's having a small effect.Jogging is not only benefitial to me, but also to our society. They never teach such things in school.
Yes, they do.
But everyone agrees. Didn't you get the memo?
It's gonna take you weeks to figure out that anarchy is stupid. I'm so waiting for that morsel of wisdom.
You're not the boss of me. I do what I want.
Well, if you count the amateurish gymnastics in school, then yea. But generally there is a huge lack of funds, competence, equipment and grounds in schools in general, leading to a very poor sport education for most people.
That in general is an area where we definetely are pathetic. And with all the health problems, overweight and such of today it should be an area of high priority. Both sports science and practice, and nutritional science and food practice.
No you don't. You do what the system allows you.
So what do you steal?Most people either steal from others as a criminal act or as a legal job,
Its would be pretty silly not to want a better society.
Well, if you count the amateurish gymnastics in school, then yea. But generally there is a huge lack of funds, competence, equipment and grounds in schools in general, leading to a very poor sport education for most people.
That in general is an area where we definetely are pathetic. And with all the health problems, overweight and such of today it should be an area of high priority. Both sports science and practice, and nutritional science and food practice.
It's a shame that so many people leave school without the ability to cook food!
We certainly do not teach these important subject with the same rigour and professionality as the "prepare for work" subjects.
Schooling and education in general need huge improvements. Take computer science for example, its already a mature establishment in our society, but schools are lagging far behind when it comes to providing such education at an elementary level. There is a huge gap in competence and equipment compared to what we need.