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Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

Is our civilisation pathetic?


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You are laying claim to the resources of this planet.

Your complaints are aimless and inconsistent. One minute you complain that we are laying claim to resources belonging to others in other countries (which acknowledges ownership rights), the next minute you're trying to lay claim to my resources (which is an abusive disregard of ownership rights), and then you're saying the resources belong to the planet, or to everyone in general (which is a failure to comprehend or acknowledge ownership rights). You need to go back to the drawing board, get control of your emotions, and come back with a rational and more consistent set of recommendations. All I can gather from your ramblings in this thread is that you want there to be a single world government that is benevolent and for everything to be perfect.

Judging by the way you live and think, you should have all that going on.

You're saying I should have a depressive disorder? I disagree. I do not want to be depressed, be in a state of deep shame, and harbor the attitude that "the world is an utter failure" (your words), and so forth. I am grateful that I do not think or feel that way. It appears miserable and unhealthy.

Personally I have none of that going on, I just feel ashamed being a human being, living in such a civilisation.

This statement contradicts itself. Your inconsistencies sure are piling up.

I feel even more ashamed when I am on this forum and seeing what people write here.

Given that your poll results are so overwhelmingly opposed to your attitude, maybe it's time to examine that attitude. You accused western society of not being able to self-examine... take some of your own advice and sort out some of your malaise, enlisting the help of a professional if needed.
 
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If you are sick of being human why exist? If you are ashamed at what you see on the forum why participate?


Did I say this, or is this another gross misenterpretation? Those tend to make the world like it is.

Thats why countries do not cooperate well, because they want to misunderstand each others completely. Since you work in the ER, I suggest you learn how to clean your ears, metaphorically speaking.
 
I agree.

I'm 70-years old and that has been going on as far back as I can remember and I see no reason to believe that it will stop anytime soon.

It may, but I doubt it.




[B]"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers.[/B]


70 years old and still didnt learn to listen or behave towards other people?

I would say for a man your age, you are being slightly cruel in this thread.
 
For a civilisation I would say people aren't behaving particularily civilised in here.

It's a perfect example of crude defence mechanisms and primitive rude behaviour towards other people.
 
Of course our civilization is not "pathetic", but it does have a distance to go.
This will take time, we have only been on this wonderful orb for 6,666 years ...according to my accurate calendar.
I do not think any of the eight great sins can ever be erased....but they can be ameliorated.
 
Neomalthusian. Its typical human being to misuse information this way to try to be right about things.

You clearly have a very bad overview of the context of those 3 post contents.

Maybe you should read what that is a response to..



Anyways, getting stuck in details is ofcourse an extremely typical thing on debatepolitics.com

I know that very well. Narrowing the view to being on something completely irrelevant and discussing that and trying to take the person instead of actually having any idea or opinion about the topic being brought up for debate.

But thats up to you, that is your personality, and you are free to behave as you want.
 
For a civilisation I would say people aren't behaving particularily civilised in here.

It's a perfect example of crude defence mechanisms and primitive rude behaviour towards other people.

Now you've gone full blown hypocrite on us. Please recall the following:


Maximus Zeebra said:
So f*** the US, they are now the worst.

Maximus Zeebra said:
We suck actually. We are immoral bastards.

Maximus Zeebra said:
If someone from outside looked at this place, YOU would be considered one of those idiots on a planet with such a pathetic civilisation.

Maximus Zeebra said:
I feel sorry for all the dumb-asses who believe we live in good and free societies. Its probably because you only have trash to compare with.

Yeah, thats right. Stick to the relevant bits like your government tought you.
 
No one here seems to care how the world is anyways. Nobody cares if the world is a bad place or a good place. They just care about themselves usually.


Its too bad, quite disappointing to be honest.
 
Now you've gone full blown hypocrite on us. Please recall the following:


Not really. Those quotes are completely relevant to where they are.

But its no point discussing this with you anymore. You can freely unsubscribe from this thread. You need to open your eyes, climb our of your box, look around and try to be nice. I have tried to be nice, and I am still trying to be nice.

Those points are NOT about individuals, they are about the civilisation in general. If you took offense to that, perhaps you should read things 2-3 or 4 times before you reply.
 
Not really, no.

EVERYONE wants to live in a good world.
Not true, as i see it.
Define good.....people..
And you will have a million different definitions.
The Amish "good" is different than mine; mine is different from yours; yours will be different from my Aunt Tizzy's....on and on...
 
Not true, as i see it.
Define good.....people..
And you will have a million different definitions.
The Amish "good" is different than mine; mine is different from yours; yours will be different from my Aunt Tizzy's....on and on...

Exactly why liberty is so important to a world we'd like to live in.
 
Nah, thats great.

But you clearly have absolutely no idea what I am talking about so I don't know what you are doing in this thread then.

Best of luck to you in this world. I never said anything about individuals. This is not about you, or any other single individuals.

You started a thread or poll about this world is. You weren't specific, you were clear.
 
Judging by the way you live and think, you should have all that going on.

Personally I have none of that going on, I just feel ashamed being a human being, living in such a civilisation.

I feel even more ashamed when I am on this forum and seeing what people write here.

This post is an example
 
Your use of "everyone" is in almost all examples inaccurate. Sometimes wildly so.

Not to mention many of those "everyone" statements contradict each other.


You basically said: Humans suck. Everyone wants the world to be perfect (except, apparently humans, so not everyone?). Humans suck and don't want to live in a perfect world (thus, they are not part of everyone, again). **** the USA, they suck the most at sucking. You're all idiots. Go vote in the elections to elect more idiots that suck at being part of everyone because they're human.

Do you have ANY FREAKING IDEA how INSANELY IDIOTIC you appear?


Edit: Also, which race of space aliens are you part of, since you obviously cannot be human (since, again, humans suck and are not part of the perfect everyone).
 
What a ridiculous world, full of ridiculous countries, and their naive peoples.
Or, you can recognize that the world is a much safer place today than it was just a few hundred years ago. People in the West have better medical care, abundant food, and fantastic communications options. For all the stick they get and the occasional failures, the UN has done a pretty good job at keeping wars from getting completely out of hand. You can travel around the world safely, and in good health; that was barely possible before the 20th Century.

The world is far from perfect, and could use a lot of changes. But it's far, far better than you make it out to be. Don't blame the world for your pessimism.


Every single person on this planet is ready to embrace a world society that makes sense.
Uhm. Have you not read many of the posts on this web forum?!? ;)


A society where we all get along and cooperate... etc
There will always be conflicts between groups, and competing interests. Someone somewhere is always going to starve. Deceit is a part of humanity, there is absolutely no way to eradicate it. Corruption can be tamped down, but not eliminated.

A world without suffering and lies and corruption is not an imminent reality. That's a fantasy, and the claim that your paradise is achievable only makes it harder to improve the real world we all have to live in.

I also recommend you read Steven Pinker's Better Angels of our Nature and/or Goldstein's Winning the War on War to get a bit of perspective.
 
Do you agree with the statement (above)?

What a ridiculous world, full of ridiculous countries, and their naive peoples.


Every single person on this planet is ready to embrace a world society that makes sense. A society where we all get along and cooperate, a society where no one starves, where no one suffers. Everyone is ready to live in and contribute to a society where people do not live under horrific conditions. Everyone is ready to embrace a society where we all cooperate for a better world. Everyone is ready to embrace a society which is well organised and stable with a model that doesn't look like its made by monkeys. Everyone is ready for a society without all the lies, the deceit, manipulation and corruption. Everyone is ready to embrace a free society rather than be jailed and restricted by their governments. Everyone is ready to be free and open their mind instead of being narrow minded and controlled. Everyone is ready to embrace a society where everyone else is good and kind. Everyone is ready to live on a clean and wonderful planet. Everyone is ready to embrace useful change. Everyone wants quality. Everyone is ready for a fair economic system that make sense. Everyone wants everyone else to smile. Everyone wants a world of joy. Everyone wants to be safe. Everyone wants to experience fantastic and great things. Everyone wants to breathe clean air, everyone wants to drink pure water, everyone wants to eat delicious food. We all want to be happy. Everyone wants to live on a planet where everyone else is happy. Everyone wants a planet where everyone have all these things. Everyone wants to have a just society.


But no. We have a society full of corruption, our planet is turning into a horrible hole, we are ruining the only place we have. We fight wars AGAINST OURSELVES. We lie, we manipulate, we are cruel to each others. We live on deception. Everyone is trapped in a society with massive brainwashing, where they have no ability to think for themselves any longer. We let the governments take all power and leave only an illusion to the people. Our society look like its organised by monkeys and savages. People starve, die of thirst and suffer every single minute. Our society is completely unstable so we choose not to cooperate and rather work against each others. For anyone who is awake and not an idiot, our society doesnt make sense at all. We poison our own food, we pollute our drinking water and soil, we empty the oceans, we live in really ugly cities. The government is hugging us so hard that they are suffocating us. Our rights are taken away day by day. We only care about profit. Everything we buy is low quality junk. Most people either steal from others as a criminal act or as a legal job, most people think only of them self. Most people say cruel things to others and try to create disharmony since they have no harmony themselves. We all feel bad.

So f*** the US, they are now the worst.
...and Europe, we are on the same slippery slope.

We step on the shoulders of the poor and suffering, we abuse other nations, we wage wars against them and kill their families, we poison their minds with unsound logic, we pretend we have democracy and stand and step on freedom and choice. We do most of the above things. We suck actually. We are immoral bastards.

So, aside from the crooks in the US and Europe, how is the rest of the world? A damn slave labour camp, and those who don't do that, they suffer and die every day, from starvation or thirst or just horrid general conditions.


This is ONE planet. We are ALL responsible to look at ourselves as ONE people. If someone from outside looked at this place, YOU would be considered one of those idiots on a planet with such a pathetic civilisation.

Personally I am deeply ashamed to be a human being, being part of such a pathetic civilisation among people who do such horrendous things. I feel deeply ashamed that we let the people suffer, starve and die when we can EASILY do something about it. I feel sorry for all the dumb-asses who believe we live in good and free societies. Its probably because you only have trash to compare with.


Take your head out of the sand and vote.

A) tl;dr
B) *Civilization
C) If you're going to call people stupid, and **** America, blah blah blah, at least try to abstain from grievous grammatical errors and logical fallacies.
 
A) tl;dr
B) *Civilization
C) If you're going to call people stupid, and **** America, blah blah blah, at least try to abstain from grievous grammatical errors and logical fallacies.
This.

To expand slightly (on what I THINK you were saying, anyway).
A (the first paragraph/WoT) is a dream the OP has, which will never happen - being a dream, the contradictions and nonsensicalness suddenly make sense...
B (the second paragraph/WoT) is what civilization actually consists of, and WILL always consist of, to a greater or lesser degree.
C (the insult part) Stop being an asshat, or at least apply some logic to your asshattery.
 
Do you agree with the statement (above)?

What a ridiculous world, full of ridiculous countries, and their naive peoples.


Every single person on this planet is ready to embrace a world society that makes sense. A society where we all get along and cooperate, a society where no one starves, where no one suffers. Everyone is ready to live in and contribute to a society where people do not live under horrific conditions. Everyone is ready to embrace a society where we all cooperate for a better world. Everyone is ready to embrace a society which is well organised and stable with a model that doesn't look like its made by monkeys. Everyone is ready for a society without all the lies, the deceit, manipulation and corruption. Everyone is ready to embrace a free society rather than be jailed and restricted by their governments. Everyone is ready to be free and open their mind instead of being narrow minded and controlled. Everyone is ready to embrace a society where everyone else is good and kind. Everyone is ready to live on a clean and wonderful planet. Everyone is ready to embrace useful change. Everyone wants quality. Everyone is ready for a fair economic system that make sense. Everyone wants everyone else to smile. Everyone wants a world of joy. Everyone wants to be safe. Everyone wants to experience fantastic and great things. Everyone wants to breathe clean air, everyone wants to drink pure water, everyone wants to eat delicious food. We all want to be happy. Everyone wants to live on a planet where everyone else is happy. Everyone wants a planet where everyone have all these things. Everyone wants to have a just society.


But no. We have a society full of corruption, our planet is turning into a horrible hole, we are ruining the only place we have. We fight wars AGAINST OURSELVES. We lie, we manipulate, we are cruel to each others. We live on deception. Everyone is trapped in a society with massive brainwashing, where they have no ability to think for themselves any longer. We let the governments take all power and leave only an illusion to the people. Our society look like its organised by monkeys and savages. People starve, die of thirst and suffer every single minute. Our society is completely unstable so we choose not to cooperate and rather work against each others. For anyone who is awake and not an idiot, our society doesnt make sense at all. We poison our own food, we pollute our drinking water and soil, we empty the oceans, we live in really ugly cities. The government is hugging us so hard that they are suffocating us. Our rights are taken away day by day. We only care about profit. Everything we buy is low quality junk. Most people either steal from others as a criminal act or as a legal job, most people think only of them self. Most people say cruel things to others and try to create disharmony since they have no harmony themselves. We all feel bad.

So f*** the US, they are now the worst.
...and Europe, we are on the same slippery slope.

We step on the shoulders of the poor and suffering, we abuse other nations, we wage wars against them and kill their families, we poison their minds with unsound logic, we pretend we have democracy and stand and step on freedom and choice. We do most of the above things. We suck actually. We are immoral bastards.

So, aside from the crooks in the US and Europe, how is the rest of the world? A damn slave labour camp, and those who don't do that, they suffer and die every day, from starvation or thirst or just horrid general conditions.


This is ONE planet. We are ALL responsible to look at ourselves as ONE people. If someone from outside looked at this place, YOU would be considered one of those idiots on a planet with such a pathetic civilisation.

Personally I am deeply ashamed to be a human being, being part of such a pathetic civilisation among people who do such horrendous things. I feel deeply ashamed that we let the people suffer, starve and die when we can EASILY do something about it. I feel sorry for all the dumb-asses who believe we live in good and free societies. Its probably because you only have trash to compare with.


Take your head out of the sand and vote.

What exactly do you think we must do to change the world? Workable solutions, please.
 
70 years old and still didnt learn to listen or behave towards other people?

I would say for a man your age, you are being slightly cruel in this thread
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If you will take a look at the poll at the beginning of this thread you will see that those who participated agree with me, 31 to 1, that our civilization is not pathetic.

That tells me that you need to adjust your perspective at least a little.

I could say a lot more, but I'll just leave it at that.
 
If you will take a look at the poll at the beginning of this thread you will see that those who participated agree with me, 31 to 1, that our civilization is not pathetic.

That tells me that you need to adjust your perspective at least a little.

I could say a lot more, but I'll just leave it at that.
I would agree with a statement that "our civilization could be better".

But pathetic? Hah!
 
I would agree with a statement that "our civilization could be better".

But pathetic? Hah!




Correct. My sentiments exactly.

Hyperbole like we see at the beginning of this thread doesn't win arguments or make this world a better place.

I just took a few seconds and rated this thread. I gave it a terrible only because pathetic was not one of the choices.
 
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Don't you think the problem may be that some people think they know what EVERYONE else thinks, wants and needs?

Why bother with research to see how much percent a sample of participants wants a particular thing? When one can just state that everyone wants everything? It is way easier! So why bother?!

N = Unlimited

Wants = Everything

Stated and thus proved at once. Brilliant!

:doh
 
Fact.
A world that they were happy in would be one in which everyone is a Muslim extremist who believes the same as they do. Anything else would be unacceptable.

Yeap. The recipe for Afghanistan! They are not happy with it probably, but now there is little hope left from them to go out also!
 
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