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Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

Is our civilisation pathetic?

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Maximus Zeebra said:
Useful technologies rather than profitable ones.
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Whether a piece of technology was traded to someone for a profit says nothing about its usefulness. You have characterized all technology as useless, primitive garbage. Compared to what? Be specific. What technology SHOULD exist that doesn't, which you're so upset about?

Really? I don't agree. Living things tend to work because food doesnt drop from the skies and because the model of society they live in leaves them no option.
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Society doesn't make food and other needs drop from the sky either. People have to exert effort, think and strategize. They always will. Other living things do also.

Then I don't see anything wrong with that. Unless you are lying.
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Well it's not really your business in either case, is it?

Why would I not want a perfect world?
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Why would I not want superpowers? We can want idealistic and impossible things, but to get upset and protest the way you are because utopia is not achieved is psychologically self-destructive. It leads you nowhere except to more frustration and disappointment.

Maximus Zeebra said:
Our knowledge is extremely poor in general, only a fool will think we have great knowledge and understanding. If we had understanding our world would not be such an utter failure
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To think that the world can be a failure reveals a profound sense of entitlement. The world doesn't owe it to you to be perfect for you.

Maximus Zeebra said:
Feel free to export me first.
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There are numerous fairly effective treatments for depression. It's episodic, almost never a permanent condition. Attitudes shift over time and symptoms level out.
 
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Maximus Zeebra said:
You think so do you?
How is is a great engine to build something that cannot last, by overexploiting natural resources, building an economic model which is grossly unfair and leads to further povery, while we exploit people, rob their countries of their resources, do a very poor job at distributing this wealth and give them nothing in return for our prosperity.

It doesn't help to drop bags of rice on them you know.



You know that is not possible do you? Our democracy is so flawed that it is impossible for most people to get there, and if you ever do, you have to sell yourself. Usually it is the best liars and manipulators who make it into a position where they can do what you say in the end of your statement.


Besides, this is not about me, its about everyone. Everyone should make a better world, not some corrupt people who manage to become dictator for a day.


Our knowledge is extremely poor in general, only a fool will think we have great knowledge and understanding. If we had understanding our world would not be such an utter failure, if we have knowledge, we would do something about it. Technologies are mostly extremely primitive, useless or just plain garbage quality.
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The fact that you think it's not about you means you're either a hypocrite or you don't know what that word means. This is all about you. Your pathetic lamentations about something.

I bet you're the kind of person who thinks communism was a great idea.

Western society has done the most to enrich mankind. It liberated it from many prisons nature put in our path. It gave us opportunities beyond measure. Sure, democracy isn't perfect, it's only as good as the people who are involved in it.

And our technology is primitive by what standard? Did we meet any aliens while I wasn't looking and they were more advanced than us? I think it's pretty advanced compared to just 20 years ago. Both commercial and scientific technology.

Now I'm an electronics engineer. I'm sorry we, the engineers of the world, haven't build the world of your dreams. But where is your contribution buddy boy? What remarkable venture did you engage in that has made mankind better? Because there are endless encyclopedias crowning the achievements of western civilization and the people it produced and the positive effects are enjoyed by millions.
 
clownboy said:
No, incorrect. All named are not near as successful when put up against mankind. And since when is species survival not "desireable" to the species?
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Parasites and viruses are not desireable to humans like humans are not desireable parasites in space.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Yup. The only "pathetic" thing about it is that we haven't managed to figure out how to start effectively exporting people off of this dirty ball of rock yet.

Time's a wastin' here and we've got places to explore and worlds to conquer. Get to it science! Chop, chop! :lol:
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LoL. The US can't even "export" illegal people from within it's own borders efficiently and you want to start conquering other planets and exporting people to them :D

Priorities man ^_^
 
longview said:
Unfortunately our attempts at central control have often led to even more suffering, misery and death.
The overall lifestyle of almost everyone on the planet has improved in the last century.
If you cannot see this, you are ether not old enough, or do not read enough history.
We cannot regulate lower population, at best we may be able to educate to a better lifestyle.
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Good afternoon, longview. :2wave:

My only question is: Who will be running the One World Government that many envision will be Utopia? It must be robots, or aliens from another galaxy, since many humans cannot even get along with their neighbors, or family, for that matter! And I'm talking about how it's been since humans began to walk upright! :peace:

Good afternoon, Longview. :2wave:
 
Rainman05 said:
LoL. The US can't even "export" illegal people from within it's own borders efficiently and you want to start conquering other planets and exporting people to them :D

Priorities man ^_^
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We can shoot all the illegals into space!

See? Two birds with one stone. :lamo
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Parasites and viruses are not desireable to humans like humans are not desireable parasites in space.
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And yet many bacteria and viruses can be. You need more knowledge before having this discussion. I understand, from your value judgement and limited knowledge, certain human cultures are "pathetic". Interesting value judgement that says more about you than those cultures.
 
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Maximus Zeebra said:
Yeah, thats right. Stick to the relevant bits like your government tought you.
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Your reply makes no sense next to the post of mine you led with. It is nonsensical.
 
Gathomas88 said:
We can shoot all the illegals into space!

See? Two birds with one stone. :lamo
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Send them to colonize Alpha Centauri? :D
They can use The tamale spaceship.

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Maximus Zeebra said:
Not really, no.

EVERYONE wants to live in a good world.
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And you do labor under the delusion that EVERYONE sees that end the same way for all?

There is your error. Among others.
 
Neomalthusian said:
Whether a piece of technology was traded to someone for a profit says nothing about its usefulness. You have characterized all technology as useless, primitive garbage. Compared to what? Be specific. What technology SHOULD exist that doesn't, which you're so upset about?
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I can think of one example immediately. It would be useful to have a mobile computer which is made in a useful way, rather than just to suck profits out of the ones who buy it. And by useful, I mean all the ones on the market now are far less useful than one I got in 2008. The technology and choice has no increased, the technology has stagnated and reversed and there is no choice, because its more profitable to produce almost identical products.

I can mention a mobile computer with tons of realistic specifications that I want, but it just does not exist, because it is more profitable to make common trash.


Neomalthusian said:
Society doesn't make food and other needs drop from the sky either. People have to exert effort, think and strategize. They always will. Other living things do also.
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Lots of species don't have to produce food, they just gather and eat what they find, or hunt in case they eat flesh.

Actually, what you say there is very interesting, because with a minimum amount of effort, the world could produce and distibute superior quality food to every single person on earth, if we wanted.



Neomalthusian said:
Well it's not really your business in either case, is it?
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Yes it is. Thats my tree as well. In fact, it is everyone in this worlds tree.


Neomalthusian said:
Why would I not want superpowers? We can want idealistic and impossible things, but to get upset and protest the way you are because utopia is not achieved is psychologically self-destructive. It leads you nowhere except to more frustration and disappointment.
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Nope, not really. A better world is possible, its just such a shame so few people want it.


Neomalthusian said:
To think that the world can be a failure reveals a profound sense of entitlement. The world doesn't owe it to you to be perfect for you.
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Are you saying we should rather aim for a ****ty world then and not try to create a good society and a perfect world for everyone?

It seems like you think no further than the tip of your nose and your nationalism.
 
Rainman05 said:
The fact that you think it's not about you means you're either a hypocrite or you don't know what that word means. This is all about you. Your pathetic lamentations about something.

I bet you're the kind of person who thinks communism was a great idea.

Western society has done the most to enrich mankind. It liberated it from many prisons nature put in our path. It gave us opportunities beyond measure. Sure, democracy isn't perfect, it's only as good as the people who are involved in it.

And our technology is primitive by what standard? Did we meet any aliens while I wasn't looking and they were more advanced than us? I think it's pretty advanced compared to just 20 years ago. Both commercial and scientific technology.

Now I'm an electronics engineer. I'm sorry we, the engineers of the world, haven't build the world of your dreams. But where is your contribution buddy boy? What remarkable venture did you engage in that has made mankind better?
Because there are endless encyclopedias crowning the achievements of western civilization and the people it produced and the positive effects are enjoyed by millions.
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And ignored by the guy who started this thread because he has an axe to grind.
 
clownboy said:
And yet many bacteria and viruses can be. You need more knowledge before having this discussion. I understand, from your value judgement and limited knowledge, certain human cultures are "pathetic". Interesting value judgement that says more about you than those cultures.
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There was a reason I did not mention bacteria in my last post. And also, viruses in general tend to not be benefitial to humans actually.

But that is hardly the point since humans would most resemble parasites in space if we ever went there with our current mindset.
 
shrubnose said:
And ignored by the guy who started this thread because he has an axe to grind.
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google is useless to people who don't know what to search for.
 
Rainman05 said:
google is useless to people who don't know what to search for.
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Google is a pretty crappy search engine to be honest. The technology has barely developed any the last 15 years.

I can imagine a thousand way a searh engine could be more useful.
 
shrubnose said:
That's a great idea.

It would definitely pump up the economy.
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I find myself with the strange compulsion to make an extremely politically incorrect joke regarding "Angry Birds" here. I'm going to do my best to resist it. :lol:
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Google is a pretty crappy search engine to be honest. The technology has barely developed any the last 15 years.

I can imagine a thousand way a searh engine could be more useful.
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You're a waste of comments.

I'm done with you.
 
Rainman05 said:
The fact that you think it's not about you means you're either a hypocrite or you don't know what that word means. This is all about you. Your pathetic lamentations about something.

I bet you're the kind of person who thinks communism was a great idea.

Western society has done the most to enrich mankind. It liberated it from many prisons nature put in our path. It gave us opportunities beyond measure. Sure, democracy isn't perfect, it's only as good as the people who are involved in it.

And our technology is primitive by what standard? Did we meet any aliens while I wasn't looking and they were more advanced than us? I think it's pretty advanced compared to just 20 years ago. Both commercial and scientific technology.

Now I'm an electronics engineer. I'm sorry we, the engineers of the world, haven't build the world of your dreams. But where is your contribution buddy boy? What remarkable venture did you engage in that has made mankind better? Because there are endless encyclopedias crowning the achievements of western civilization and the people it produced and the positive effects are enjoyed by millions.
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I am sorry, I didnt mean to miss your post actually.

Engineers are among the most useful people in this world. That's all I have to say about that.
Designers and decision makers on the other hand.........


I dont think any ideology of this world so far has been good at all. I think they all suck.
However, I do see positive sides in all ideologies, and we should create new ideologies, based on the positive features of all previous ideologies I would think..

Democracy is not perfect, by far not. Actually, its turning out that democracy turns into tyrrany, just like Plato said.


Technologies are primitive because we don't put existing technologies together in a very benefitial and advanced way. So I mean that technologies are very primitive relative to their own potential when applied in a better way.
Besides, I think there are far more important things in this world than just technology. In fact, I think our society is falling into a technology trap, where we think too much of technology and not enough about other things.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
I can think of one example immediately. It would be useful to have a mobile computer which is made in a useful way, rather than just to suck profits out of the ones who buy it. And by useful, I mean all the ones on the market now are far less useful than one I got in 2008. The technology and choice has no increased, the technology has stagnated and reversed and there is no choice, because its more profitable to produce almost identical products.

I can mention a mobile computer with tons of realistic specifications that I want, but it just does not exist, because it is more profitable to make common trash.




Lots of species don't have to produce food, they just gather and eat what they find, or hunt in case they eat flesh.

Actually, what you say there is very interesting, because with a minimum amount of effort, the world could produce and distibute superior quality food to every single person on earth, if we wanted.





Yes it is. Thats my tree as well. In fact, it is everyone in this worlds tree.
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Nope, not really. A better world is possible, its just such a shame so few people want it.




Are you saying we should rather aim for a ****ty world then and not try to create a good society and a perfect world for everyone?

It seems like you think no further than the tip of your nose and your nationalism.
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If it's in my fenced in orchard, it's my tree, and if I see anyone picking fruit from it I'll sic my dogs on them.
 
Rainman05 said:
google is useless to people who don't know what to search for.
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Unfortunately very true.

A lot of [people don't know what they are looking for so they don't recognize it when they trip over it.




[B]"If you don't know where you are going any road will get you there." ~Lewis Carroll[/B]
 
shrubnose said:
If it's in my fenced in orchard, it's my tree, and if I see anyone picking fruit from it I'll sic my dogs on them.
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Thats your concept of the world.

I think such thinking is much of the reason that we are where we are.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
I can think of one example immediately. It would be useful to have a mobile computer which is made in a useful way, rather than just to suck profits out of the ones who buy it.
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1) People who buy these mobile computers "profit" too, in that they are voluntarily trading something they value less (money) for something they value more (that computer). If they didn't, they wouldn't buy it (and in that case the maker and retailer wouldn't profit either).
2) It is not rational to manufacture anything if there is zero opportunity to make more money than it costs. In fact that would be self-destructive.
3) Again, whether the maker of something profits or not has nothing to do with the product's usefulness.

I can mention a mobile computer with tons of realistic specifications that I want, but it just does not exist, because it is more profitable to make common trash.
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I'm no computer industry expert, so if you really know what you're talking about, then perhaps you have stumbled on an untapped market and thus have a good business and/or investment opportunity.

Actually, what you say there is very interesting, because with a minimum amount of effort, the world could produce and distibute superior quality food to every single person on earth, if we wanted.
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You haven't thought this one through. The energy we use to produce and distribute food is significant, and shipping it to every human on the planet would be a waste of that energy. Plus you would artificially be enabling further overpopulation, which you complained about in a recent post. Conundrum!

Yes it is. Thats my tree as well. In fact, it is everyone in this worlds tree.
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You can say it a million times that there is no such thing as property rights, but that doesn't make it true. No wonder you're frustrated. Insisting that the world belongs to you when in fact it doesn't.

Nope, not really. A better world is possible, its just such a shame so few people want it.

Are you saying we should rather aim for a ****ty world
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No one is "aiming" for a certain world. The world is the world. It is supremely arrogant to think that the world and all the people in it can, will or should bend to your will.

then and not try to create a good society and a perfect world for everyone?
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It is unhealthy to expect perfection and get bitter and angry when it doesn't happen. It's never happened and it will never happened. It leads nowhere other than to nihilism.

It seems like you think no further than the tip of your nose and your nationalism.
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I just recognize irrational bitterness, idealism and entitlement when I see it.
 
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