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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    HEY! ME TOO!
    Man, I miss those Velvet Elvis'es.
    I should also mention that I did have an original "Dogs Playing Poker" on display in my basement. Don't know what could've happened to it, but it's gone, and civilization is a little worse off for it's loss.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
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    Hey man, if you want to hate on corporations, governments, and (arguably) the most comfortable living conditions in all of recorded human history, that is ultimately your prerogative. I won't quibble with you over it.

    I would, however; point out that there plenty of deserts, jungles, and taigas out there for a man to lose himself in if he is so inclined.

    Go live like all of our ancestors before the modern era were forced to for a few years, and then come back and tell me how you think modern civilization stacks up.

    Just an idea, of course.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Well you sound like a spoiled brat who has never studied history then, frankly. What sorts of science fiction technology do you think SHOULD magically exist?
    Useful technologies rather than profitable ones.


    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Are you a monk? The only reason a living thing exerts effort on its environment is to make itself better off in the near future than it is in the current moment. That is essentially the same drive as the profit-motive. Living things tend to "work" to "make a profit."

    Really? I don't agree. Living things tend to work because food doesnt drop from the skies and because the model of society they live in leaves them no option.

    I am no monk, but I admire them.


    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Just like thinking magic technology should exist, you also think people should not be compelled to do anything in order to meet their own needs. That is unquestionably utopian.
    Ahh, I love it when person B tells person A what the opinion of person A is.


    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I absolutely have to.
    Then I don't see anything wrong with that. Unless you are lying.


    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Umm, now is about the time I would advise scheduling a meeting with a psychiatrist. I have a soft spot for cynicism and pessimism, but not to this wild extreme. Your bitterness at the world for not being perfect for you is not going to translate over to having coherent political, economic or social ideas.
    Why would I not want a perfect world?
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Any civilization that has succeeded in putting men on the moon is far from pathetic.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Hey man, if you want to hate on corporations, governments, and (arguably) the most comfortable living conditions in all of recorded human history, that is ultimately your prerogative. I won't quibble with you over it.
    There are very few thing that I hate, if any. Probably none.

    There are also very few things I admire. There are some though.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I would, however; point out that there plenty of deserts, jungles, and taigas out there for a man to lose himself in if he is so inclined.
    I am unfit for the purpose, like most men who received an education in the west. Besides, its also being cut down, ruined or otherwise spoiled, not exactly a safe choice of lifestyle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Go live like all of our ancestors before the modern era were forced to for a few years, and then come back and tell me how you think modern civilization stacks up.
    We should live more like our ancerstors, shouldn't we. But then again, we learn nothing from the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Just an idea, of course.
    Ideas, another positive thing about this world. Too bad so few can be expressed in a truly public forum. That is reserved for the political elite.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Don't you think the problem may be that some people think they know what EVERYONE else thinks, wants and needs?





    I think that way too many people who don't even know what all of the problems are think that they have the answers to all of them.

    And a lot of those people are in Washington, D.C. wasting money.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Hmmm, if the planet is indeed overpopulated with humans that suggests we are a most successful species (in the natural milieu). Considering the US is one of those large population centers, it also makes us a prominent part of that success. So, naturally speaking, hardly pathetic at all.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Any civilization that has succeeded in putting men on the moon is far from pathetic.
    Thats a bit of a narrow view in my opinion. I don't think thats much of an accomplishment at all.

    What would be a success is if we had peace and harmony in this world and could bring that to space one day, instead of war, missery, suffering, greed, selfishness. Then we could perhaps be more like a civilisation gone to space rather than a parasite.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    How often do you think about the least successfull people in this world?

    Why is that?

    I presume you know that they starve, thirst and suffer deeply, every minute we discuss this.

    What do you really think about that?

    How successfull are we?
    How arrogant would I have to be to consider others to be unsuccessful? What measure would I use, mine?

    I could look at a group of barefoot tribesman in some hovel in Africa and buy them all shoes. Maybe they are all happy without shoes.

    I prefer to be a productive member of my society, a society which is the most charitable in the world and who seek out people who are unfortunate and do want help.

    I think that success is a strategy, not pathos.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Hmmm, if the planet is indeed overpopulated with humans that suggests we are a most successful species (in the natural milieu). Considering the US is one of those large population centers, it also makes us a prominent part of that success. So, naturally speaking, hardly pathetic at all.
    The same is also true for bacteria, viruses and parasites. Hardly admirable and desireable.
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