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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    It is not up to me to measure success for others, that would be presumptive and wrong.

    As for the least successful person, I think back to an old Proverb: "The nail that sticks out gets hammered down."

    How often do you think about the least successfull people in this world?

    Why is that?

    I presume you know that they starve, thirst and suffer deeply, every minute we discuss this.

    What do you really think about that?

    How successfull are we?
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    How often do you think about the least successfull people in this world?

    Why is that?

    I presume you know that they starve, thirst and suffer deeply, every minute we discuss this.

    What do you really think about that?
    Over the long run? "That the superior power of population is repressed, and the actual population kept equal to the means of subsistence, by misery and vice." - Thomas Malthus

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    How often do you think about the least successfull people in this world?

    Why is that?

    I presume you know that they starve, thirst and suffer deeply, every minute we discuss this.

    What do you really think about that?

    How successfull are we?
    I'll have you know that there is no greater engine for prosperity and civilization than western civilization.

    So while this single idea that has liberated mankind, gave us knowledge and understanding, technology and a society of plenty and opportunity isn't good enough for you... then by all means, go for it. Make something better. I'll be waiting. Create a better model for society than western civilization.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I would have voted "In some respects" if that were an option. Because it's not, I stuck with 'No.'

    Aspects I find pathetic include:
    - The pervasive attitudes that autonomous legal adults are entitled to their needs being met by the external, as though they're still children.
    - Economic policies based on a gambler's fallacy "if I blow it all now, things will be better later and THEN I'll be able to pay my bills."
    - Unrestrained population growth and the visceral/emotional refusal to discuss slowing down.
    - Staunch bargain shoppers who get angry that companies pursue economies of scale and cost-minimize.
    - Party loyalists

    Some things I find absolutely amazing, when I sit back and reflect on it, which I think we would not have invented were it not for our pathetic but advanced civilization:
    - Wireless broadband internet. Do you guys realize how freaking amazing this is? It is unbelievably amazing. Revolutionary. The most profound advancement since the printing press.
    - Self-fusing silicon tape. My god this stuff works amazingly well. A million times better than duct tape.
    - Filson
    - Chain saws

    Every time I use these things I feel a sense of awe and appreciation for human intelligence and innovation.

    Hmm. I find your post quite interesting. But on the other side I think most technology is pathetic as well.

    I either find it disappointing and quite primitive. I find it damaging or negative. And I find that it's there only to make a profit, which is an ideology I completely disagree with.

    ...and why would we cut down trees if we do not absolutely have to? Is this world not ugly enough with our huge, damaging and ugly fingerprint on it?


    Some technologies are really useful though. But often the quality is really, really bad. And most often, technologies are just things that we really don't need.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Over the long run? "That the superior power of population is repressed, and the actual population kept equal to the means of subsistence, by misery and vice." - Thomas Malthus
    Our population is out of control. This planet is hugely overpopulated. It would better be managed with common sense, good organisation and quaity management, rather than suffering, misery and death.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    True.
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    . And yes, I prefer to keep that as vague as possible. As you can see, singing isn't a strong suit in my repertoire.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    HEY! ME TOO!
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    Especially the one with the tear.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Hmm. I find your post quite interesting. But on the other side I think most technology is pathetic as well.

    I either find it disappointing and quite primitive.
    Well you sound like a spoiled brat who has never studied history then, frankly. What sorts of science fiction technology do you think SHOULD magically exist?

    And I find that it's there only to make a profit, which is an ideology I completely disagree with.
    Are you a monk? The only reason a living thing exerts effort on its environment is to make itself better off in the near future than it is in the current moment. That is essentially the same drive as the profit-motive. Living things tend to "work" to "make a profit."

    Just like thinking magic technology should exist, you also think people should not be compelled to do anything in order to meet their own needs. That is unquestionably utopian.

    ...and why would we cut down trees if we do not absolutely have to?
    I absolutely have to.

    Is this world not ugly enough with our huge, damaging and ugly fingerprint on it?
    Umm, now is about the time I would advise scheduling a meeting with a psychiatrist. I have a soft spot for cynicism and pessimism, but not to this wild extreme. Your bitterness at the world for not being perfect for you is not going to translate over to having coherent political, economic or social ideas.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Our population is out of control. This planet is hugely overpopulated. It would better be managed with common sense, good organisation and quaity management, rather than suffering, misery and death.
    Unfortunately our attempts at central control have often led to even more suffering, misery and death.
    The overall lifestyle of almost everyone on the planet has improved in the last century.
    If you cannot see this, you are ether not old enough, or do not read enough history.
    We cannot regulate lower population, at best we may be able to educate to a better lifestyle.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    I'll have you know that there is no greater engine for prosperity and civilization than western civilization.
    You think so do you?
    How is is a great engine to build something that cannot last, by overexploiting natural resources, building an economic model which is grossly unfair and leads to further povery, while we exploit people, rob their countries of their resources, do a very poor job at distributing this wealth and give them nothing in return for our prosperity.

    It doesn't help to drop bags of rice on them you know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    So while this single idea that has liberated mankind, gave us knowledge and understanding, technology and a society of plenty and opportunity isn't good enough for you... then by all means, go for it. Make something better. I'll be waiting. Create a better model for society than western civilization.
    You know that is not possible do you? Our democracy is so flawed that it is impossible for most people to get there, and if you ever do, you have to sell yourself. Usually it is the best liars and manipulators who make it into a position where they can do what you say in the end of your statement.


    Besides, this is not about me, its about everyone. Everyone should make a better world, not some corrupt people who manage to become dictator for a day.


    Our knowledge is extremely poor in general, only a fool will think we have great knowledge and understanding. If we had understanding our world would not be such an utter failure, if we have knowledge, we would do something about it. Technologies are mostly extremely primitive, useless or just plain garbage quality.
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