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    Re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Maybe, but it does not have to be the majority.
    But it is the majority... why do you think that people want better paying jobs, more beneifts, etc. It is greed.

    Like I said, watch two toddlers try to play with one toy. Now imagine the toy is a Leer Jet.
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    Re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Maybe, but it does not have to be the majority.
    A minority is enough, because the vast majority of humans tend to not give a ****.


    Edit: However, I think you're too narrowly defining greed - Any form of "I want that" is greed. In a way, anyway.
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    Re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    You can say that those things are a part of the problem all you like... the problem is that people will want them. You truly just don't seem to get it.

    As long as some people have things that others want but can't have you will have a problem.
    As long as some people are in charge of others laying down the law that others don't like you will have a problem.

    I can go on and on but I don't think that you will ever understand the innate failures of human behaviour.
    Maybe not. But maybe I think bad behaviour is possible to get rid of through targetted and proper education. Without education we would all be savages.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    But it is the majority... why do you think that people want better paying jobs, more beneifts, etc. It is greed.

    Like I said, watch two toddlers try to play with one toy. Now imagine the toy is a Leer Jet.
    But toddlers are savages, because they did not learn the philosophies yet.

    And... You have no hope that the world can turn into a mature and good society where everyone can be happy?

    Do you believe we can have peace on this planet and stop waging war against each others?
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    Re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    A minority is enough, because the vast majority of humans tend to not give a ****.


    Edit: However, I think you're too narrowly defining greed - Any form of "I want that" is greed. In a way, anyway.

    I think most people just want to live a good life and have security. If they have that, then I think greed is no longer a topic.

    But how many people have a good life and security today? Almost none, just the very rich. They know that they can survive and be comfortable the rest of their life without having to do anything. Yet they do something.

    I think lowering that bar is possible, that most people in the west would be able to think the same, that they can survive and be compfortable the rest of their life without having to do anything. But then we would have to change the economic model to distribute work better, to avoid a group of people stealing the value of everyones labour, thus leaving the labourers having to labour more and not able to live comfortable, even though our society have plenty.

    You see, we do produce enough for everyone to be secure and comfortable in our society, we just distribute it very poorly, so that no one is secure and compfortable unless they put in a lot of work. We organise our society in a very poor way. I mean, if everyone had the same as an example and everyone contributed equally, we could have everything we have to day with half the labour. If we focused more on what is important, and focused less on things we do not need, then I think everyone could get away with working a 10 hour week or less.

    The greed we are seeing in general as a society is not the greed of our society, but the greed of the capitalist model.
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    Re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I think most people just want to live a good life and have security. If they have that, then I think greed is no longer a topic.

    But how many people have a good life and security today? Almost none, just the very rich. They know that they can survive and be comfortable the rest of their life without having to do anything. Yet they do something.

    I think lowering that bar is possible, that most people in the west would be able to think the same, that they can survive and be compfortable the rest of their life without having to do anything. But then we would have to change the economic model to distribute work better, to avoid a group of people stealing the value of everyones labour, thus leaving the labourers having to labour more and not able to live comfortable, even though our society have plenty.

    You see, we do produce enough for everyone to be secure and comfortable in our society, we just distribute it very poorly, so that no one is secure and compfortable unless they put in a lot of work. We organise our society in a very poor way. I mean, if everyone had the same as an example and everyone contributed equally, we could have everything we have to day with half the labour. If we focused more on what is important, and focused less on things we do not need, then I think everyone could get away with working a 10 hour week or less.

    The greed we are seeing in general as a society is not the greed of our society, but the greed of the capitalist model.
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    Re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I think most people just want to live a good life and have security. If they have that, then I think greed is no longer a topic.

    But how many people have a good life and security today? Almost none, just the very rich. They know that they can survive and be comfortable the rest of their life without having to do anything. Yet they do something.

    I think lowering that bar is possible, that most people in the west would be able to think the same, that they can survive and be compfortable the rest of their life without having to do anything. But then we would have to change the economic model to distribute work better, to avoid a group of people stealing the value of everyones labour, thus leaving the labourers having to labour more and not able to live comfortable, even though our society have plenty.

    You see, we do produce enough for everyone to be secure and comfortable in our society, we just distribute it very poorly, so that no one is secure and comfortable unless they put in a lot of work. We organise our society in a very poor way. I mean, if everyone had the same as an example and everyone contributed equally, we could have everything we have to day with half the labour. If we focused more on what is important, and focused less on things we do not need, then I think everyone could get away with working a 10 hour week or less.

    The greed we are seeing in general as a society is not the greed of our society, but the greed of the capitalist model.
    In my ideal society/system....

    There would be no government redistribution.
    Rather, laws would be in place to encourage non-governmental redistribution, and to prevent abuses.

    Without governmental redistribution, tax levels could be lower, freeing up more civilian funds to cycle through the economy, which would improve matters in that area.


    This is of course wishful thinking, but then what you're saying is, as well.
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    Re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Maybe not. But maybe I think bad behaviour is possible to get rid of through targetted and proper education. Without education we would all be savages.
    You want to educate people on how to behave? Sounds like brainwashing and I am not for that in the slightest.

    But toddlers are savages, because they did not learn the philosophies yet.
    Your philosophies

    And... You have no hope that the world can turn into a mature and good society where everyone can be happy?
    Mature and good? Possibly.
    Everyone happy? Nope. Will NEVER happen. Ever.

    Do you believe we can have peace on this planet and stop waging war against each others?
    Wars on a national level? Perhaps. Depends on if you have crack pots in charge. Depends on if religion leaves the world. Depends on a lot of things...
    Peace on the planet? Nope. Will NEVER happen. Ever.
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