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    Re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Humans affect humans... not society.
    But since humans (or people, same thing) = society, you just agreed with me.
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    Re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    But since humans (or people, same thing) = society, you just agreed with me.
    Right. But the original argument was that society affects people. I made a distinction. Humans affect people since humans comprise a "society".

    I am nit-picking but making a distinction...
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    Re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    People = Society, and Society = People.

    You cannot separate the two, or say that the influence involved is one-way.
    Nah, you got it all wrong.
    THE PEOPLE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO INFLUENCE ON WHERE SOCIETY GOES!

    (this is a slight exhaggeration, people do have a tiny influence, but it is so small its completely irrelevant)

    Am I making my point clear now?
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    Re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    You said:




    How is that meaningfully different than "sole leader"?
    This is what America is about these days. Forget the important things, lets get stuck in details and miss the big picture.

    Sole leader = The only leader
    Single leader = The top of the political leadership, the leader of all, the rules, the leadership symbol. The same as the sole leader, except there are ofcourse a few other leaders as well, but they are not that important.


    So to say it easy, I am against ANY leaders. People shouldn't represent the single leader or any leader in government. The people should. But they are pretty much irrelevant in how society develops.
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    Re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He has in mind a utopia of perfection based off of European liberalism... some Star Trek fantasy world where people have evolved away from greed, anger, desire, etc.
    It's possible to accomplish.
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    Re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    It's possible to accomplish.
    It is not.

    Edit: Or at least, not with humans as they currently exist. At an instinctual level, we'll **** it up.
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    Re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    This is what America is about these days. Forget the important things, lets get stuck in details and miss the big picture.

    Sole leader = The only leader
    Single leader = The top of the political leadership, the leader of all, the rules, the leadership symbol. The same as the sole leader, except there are ofcourse a few other leaders as well, but they are not that important.


    So to say it easy, I am against ANY leaders. People shouldn't represent the single leader or any leader in government. The people should. But they are pretty much irrelevant in how society develops.
    The president of the US fits neither of those descriptions.
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    Re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    It's possible to accomplish.
    Not as long as human's have greed and other such characteristics it won't be possible.... not even close.
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    Re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Not as long as human's have greed and other such characteristics it won't be possible.... not even close.
    It is possible if our society gets rid of the root of greed.
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    Re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    It is possible if our society gets rid of the root of greed.
    And how do you do that? It is born into us... ever watch two toddlers that want the same toy?
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