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    Re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Who are the other leaders then?

    Its alike that in most of the west. The single leaders do come to power in different ways and do wield different degrees of powers. In the US and France, the single leader, relative to the rest of governance wields an enormous amount of power.
    The other leaders are congresspersons and the like.

    Not, of course, at the same level of individual power, but in theory, collectively congress could tell the Pres to go **** him (or her) self and there's not a damn thing he (or she) could do about it.
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    Re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The president and vice president represent one third of a government with balanced powers. We like to ascribe to the presidency more power than it actually has, Congress seems more than willing to give it extra powers, and, of course, the president will take any powers that he can. But, according to the Constitution, the executive branch is only one of three with equal powers.
    According to the constitution yes.

    But in practice, these days, the president is getting more and more powers unfortunately. Those seem to be taken away from an inactive and unable congress and collected by the president. Some new acts and laws have also increased the executive powers of the president.
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    Re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    The other leaders are congresspersons and the like.

    Not, of course, at the same level of individual power, but in theory, collectively congress could tell the Pres to go **** him (or her) self and there's not a damn thing he (or she) could do about it.

    No, those are not the leaders. They are members of the so called peoples assembly. Pretty much alike to a parliament in most European countries. Except most European countries do not have a president in addition to a parliamentary leader, or prime minister as it is called. France is a notable exception. They have a prime minister and a president. The president is THE leader and the prime minister is irrelevant, alike to the the leader of house of representatives. They can also be considered leaders, but ofcourse, they arent really the leader of the country. Prime ministers and presidents are the single leaders.

    Don't go thinking parliamentary democracy is better, it isn't. As soon as someone get a majority there, they can propose and pass anything that they please. They are pretty much given the power to dictate.


    Yes, in theory the congress should have told the president to go **** himself many times. But unfortunately the congress no longer represent the people and they no longer perform their duty which is the act on behalf of the people and protect the constitution. Unfortunately the congress have turned into nothing less than a puppet of the parties and a playground for their fights against each others.

    This scenario is pretty much the same in Europe, but under somewhat different rules. It always boils down to the same things. Two sides fighting for power, fighting against each others, neglecting the people, the noble single leaders, the election circus, lack of policies and integrity. Policies these days are sold to the cheapest bidders, be it corporations or election campaigns to sell it to people to gain votes. Once power is grabbed, election promises and actual policies are two entirely different worlds.

    I would say anyone who don't see this are blind and dumb, but I don't want to generalise too much. But its obvious that this is what is going on, and I have no idea why some people are so blind that they do not see it. And what is even worse is that some people participate in it, not as free people, but as a slave of party politics and the manipulation and narrowing perspectives of their political elite.
    As a result people are trapped in extremely narrow discussions about mostly irrelevant things, and completely miss all the important fundamental things that are going on. Many of the discussions on this forum is a clear evidence on that. While your politicians sell your rights to the lowest bidder, these people are busy bickering over which party is best, plague or cholera or twittering about the newest political celebrity.
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    Re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    The president is THE leader and the prime minister is irrelevant, alike to the the leader of house of representatives. They can also be considered leaders, but ofcourse, they arent really the leader of the country. Prime ministers and presidents are the single leaders.
    John Boehner may not have quite as much power as the president, but pretty close.
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    Re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    No, those are not the leaders. They are members of the so called peoples assembly. Pretty much alike to a parliament in most European countries. Except most European countries do not have a president in addition to a parliamentary leader, or prime minister as it is called. France is a notable exception. They have a prime minister and a president. The president is THE leader and the prime minister is irrelevant, alike to the the leader of house of representatives. They can also be considered leaders, but ofcourse, they arent really the leader of the country. Prime ministers and presidents are the single leaders.

    Don't go thinking parliamentary democracy is better, it isn't. As soon as someone get a majority there, they can propose and pass anything that they please. They are pretty much given the power to dictate.


    Yes, in theory the congress should have told the president to go **** himself many times. But unfortunately the congress no longer represent the people and they no longer perform their duty which is the act on behalf of the people and protect the constitution. Unfortunately the congress have turned into nothing less than a puppet of the parties and a playground for their fights against each others.

    This scenario is pretty much the same in Europe, but under somewhat different rules. It always boils down to the same things. Two sides fighting for power, fighting against each others, neglecting the people, the noble single leaders, the election circus, lack of policies and integrity. Policies these days are sold to the cheapest bidders, be it corporations or election campaigns to sell it to people to gain votes. Once power is grabbed, election promises and actual policies are two entirely different worlds.

    I would say anyone who don't see this are blind and dumb, but I don't want to generalise too much. But its obvious that this is what is going on, and I have no idea why some people are so blind that they do not see it. And what is even worse is that some people participate in it, not as free people, but as a slave of party politics and the manipulation and narrowing perspectives of their political elite.
    As a result people are trapped in extremely narrow discussions about mostly irrelevant things, and completely miss all the important fundamental things that are going on. Many of the discussions on this forum is a clear evidence on that. While your politicians sell your rights to the lowest bidder, these people are busy bickering over which party is best, plague or cholera or twittering about the newest political celebrity.
    Head of State =/= Sole leader.
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    Re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Head of State =/= Sole leader.
    well, it whether you like it or not, all countries in the west have a single person in the highest leaderhship position. So a single leader.

    It's quite lame, I know, but it is the truth.
    Unbelievably so..

    Personally I don't want a system where we have a single leader or any single person representing the leadership of the country. It's a deeply flawed system.
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    Re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    well, it whether you like it or not, all countries in the west have a single person in the highest leadership position. So a single leader.

    It's quite lame, I know, but it is the truth.
    Unbelievably so..

    Personally I don't want a system where we have a single leader or any single person representing the leadership of the country. It's a deeply flawed system.
    Sigh.

    Just because someone is head of state, leader of the executive branch, the commander in chief of the military, and so forth, does not mean he/she is the SOLE LEADER OF THE COUNTRY.

    Highest leadership position, yes. Sole leader, no.

    THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING.
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    Re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    well, it whether you like it or not, all countries in the west have a single person in the highest leaderhship position. So a single leader.

    It's quite lame, I know, but it is the truth.
    Unbelievably so..

    Personally I don't want a system where we have a single leader or any single person representing the leadership of the country. It's a deeply flawed system.
    If you had an accurate description of our system, yes, it would be deeply flawed. What you're describing, however, is best called a dictatorship.
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    Re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    That's basically what I was trying to say to MZ (I made his name an acronym because I am lazy).
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    You are too lazy to write:

    Maximus Zeebra

    so you write:

    (I made his name an acronym because I am lazy)

    Instead? Which is longer?
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    Re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    well, it whether you like it or not, all countries in the west have a single person in the highest leaderhship position. So a single leader.

    It's quite lame, I know, but it is the truth.
    Unbelievably so..

    Personally I don't want a system where we have a single leader or any single person representing the leadership of the country. It's a deeply flawed system.
    So, you're just going to keep posting ignorant things and insist you're right no matter what. Leonardo would be proud. (Perhaps you think that was his style as well.)
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