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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I do? From whence springs this notion?



    And there you are right in line with the Communist Manifesto.
    From whence springs this notion.


    You never asked me my full opinion. You judge by not even scratching the surface.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Monserrat View Post
    So what would you propose we do to fix our ****ty world? Vote for who/what?

    It's not a ****ty world, its a pathetic civilisation.

    We need to build a civilisation that works, for everyone. I personally think everyone has to participate in that for it to be successfull.

    I don't think dictates from a Washington DC or dictates from European capitals is the way to build a civilisation that works for everyone.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Humans and society are in a feedback loop.
    That may be right. But think of it as the bottle hole, where the whole is so tiny that only the opinions of a very few gets through and hold back everyone else. I can imagine the genies that do get out of the bottle want to try to plug that whole entirely.


    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Society cannot control humans anymore than humans can control society.
    A society ruled by the few is no different than any system in the past.

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    Do you have any idea how much that sounds like the USSR of the bad old days? A few humans (politburo), determining what society is in order to control the rest of the humans.
    Yeah, I know. That is pretty much the society we live in today. And they throw games and keep the masses preoccupied (almost like slaves with no option) to be able to remain in control.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I understand what you're saying. I just totally disagree.
    Think of it this way: Human beings are not like ants or bees. We're not programmed to work for the benefit of humanity, but for our own benefit. Moreover, since we're comparing ourselves to the animal kingdom, we have four general sorts of humans:
    There are the sheep, who want someone to herd them around and take care of them. They're no into thinking for themselves.
    Then there are the sheep dogs, who want to be able to herd others and control them. They like power for its own sake.
    Then there are the squirrels, content to be free without having to either control or be controlled. They just want to go their own way and do their own thing.
    Finally, there are the wolves, whose goal is to prey on the sheep and the squirrels.

    and somehow, we need to all live together.
    I find this a very intersting anology. It is in many ways true.
    But when the wolves are in control, and everyone is forced to be a sheep, then we do not have freedom.

    I've been paying attention to what you're saying. I just think it's totally unrealistic.[/QUOTE]

    Well. I don't even want to think how many people, groups of people and so fourth that have had this thought!

    Imagine if black people were thinking like that in the US.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    . . .Every single person on this planet is ready to embrace a world society that makes sense. A society where we all get along and cooperate, a society where no one starves, where no one suffers. Everyone is ready to live in and contribute to a society where people do not live under horrific conditions. Everyone is ready to embrace a society where we all cooperate for a better world. . .
    HUH?!

    Are you familiar with the "sensible," things that leaders in the Arab want to see happen to the Jews? What the Boko Haram terrorists want to see happen, and have made happen to Christian children? How women are expected to live in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and many parts of Africa? What can happen to someone who makes an offhand political statement in North Korea?

    Our Society and those descended from Western and Northern Europe might be nuts, but they are among the least nutty to ever have existed. The proof of this is that you won't try to hunt me down and kill me for saying so.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    You don't debate so there is nothing for me to debate against... you whine, complain, bitch and moan about the USA letting you down and being a dreg on the planet.
    Why are you here then? It takes only a click on the button to unsubscribe if your belief is that I do not debate.
    I certainly do not debate like you, just to win an argument. And I don't attack other people to accomplish that goal.

    So to be honest, if I remember our previous debates, it was I who tried to discuss things, and you who neither debated or discussed anything. You used cheap personal attacks and abused the integrity of logic to try to make any fallacy correct, by discussing irrelevant things, and thinking any little victory in discussing small details now irrelevant to the bigger point, would get grant you victory in the bigger debate, although not relevant to that at all.


    I suggest you read that many times.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    HUH?!

    Are you familiar with the "sensible," things that leaders in the Arab want to see happen to the Jews? What the Boko Haram terrorists want to see happen, and have made happen to Christian children? How women are expected to live in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and many parts of Africa? What can happen to someone who makes an offhand political statement in North Korea?

    Our Society and those descended from Western and Northern Europe might be nuts, but they are among the least nutty to ever have existed. The proof of this is that you won't try to hunt me down and kill me for saying so.
    Haha, what a wonderful ending indeed. That just means we are somewhat civilised!


    I don't agree with your assesment of arabs. Afterall, it is only some of their leaders who want that, and they are the bad seed of the population, just like the leaders in the west are the bad seeds in their population. And this is everyones problem.

    Most people in arab countries don't care about all that stuff at all. Most of them just want to live good lives! Most of them just want to be safe, live comfortable, have food and have freedom. But their leaders hold them back and force their society to do the bidding of their leaders. And I tell you, we have the exact same problems in the west!

    So yes, we are the most civilised of the uncivilised. Congrats to us.

    But I see your point, that also we are held back, because of those who are even less civilised than us. And that is a shame. And that is the reason I believe we can only get civilised as one planet, with one people. Not as silly nations with their own objectives working against each others.


    I cannot say what the catalyst to such a big leap forward could be. But we do need to take a big leap, every nation, every person, to be able to prepare ourselves to become a well functioning planet.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Haha, what a wonderful ending indeed. That just means we are somewhat civilised!


    I don't agree with your assesment of arabs. Afterall, it is only some of their leaders who want that, and they are the bad seed of the population, just like the leaders in the west are the bad seeds in their population. And this is everyones problem.

    Most people in arab countries don't care about all that stuff at all. Most of them just want to live good lives! Most of them just want to be safe, live comfortable, have food and have freedom. But their leaders hold them back and force their society to do the bidding of their leaders. And I tell you, we have the exact same problems in the west!
    I don't agree with this, but I don't want to spin into yet another of my screeds against Islam. Suffice it to say that I see little evidence that this is true. (Look up "Um Nidal" to illustrate my point.)


    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post

    So yes, we are the most civilised of the uncivilised. Congrats to us.
    It is something to be congratulated for. Were it easy, the reptiles would have done it. (I will slap, virtually of course, the very first Whovian who brings up the Silurians.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    But I see your point, that also we are held back, because of those who are even less civilised than us. And that is a shame. And that is the reason I believe we can only get civilised as one planet, with one people. Not as silly nations with their own objectives working against each others.


    I cannot say what the catalyst to such a big leap forward could be. But we do need to take a big leap, every nation, every person, to be able to prepare ourselves to become a well functioning planet.
    We may have reached the pinnacle. Civilization is only ever one generation deep. Prosperous civilizations tend to soften their progeny which allows civilizations to decline. Prosperous civilizations tend to value luxury over things like duty, responsibility and sacrifice, and so decline.

    The only model I've ever considered that I think could advance us significantly forward would be one in which only citizens willing to take on added responsibilities were allowed to wield significant electoral power. In short, only the people who pay taxes and have attained at least moderate level of education would be allowed to vote and thereby set policy.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    It's not a ****ty world, its a pathetic civilisation.

    We need to build a civilisation that works, for everyone. I personally think everyone has to participate in that for it to be successfull.

    I don't think dictates from a Washington DC or dictates from European capitals is the way to build a civilisation that works for everyone.
    Your philosophy would be more acceptable to others, IF it was more positive and less negative.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I find this a very intersting anology. It is in many ways true.
    But when the wolves are in control, and everyone is forced to be a sheep, then we do not have freedom.
    Finally, a statement I can agree with completely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post

    Well. I don't even want to think how many people, groups of people and so fourth that have had this thought!

    Imagine if black people were thinking like that in the US.
    The thought that what you're saying is totally unrealistic? Yes, I'm quite sure that most people, black, white or something else, have had that thought.
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