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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    You have no idea what I am talking about then. Just return the the OP and read it again!

    Its not about me, its about everyones will. I simply say, the peoples will should be the future, not some insane monsters in Washington DC, Paris, Cairo, Bangkok or anywhere else. You my friend seem to be completely against a democracy of the people, for the people and by the people. What you want is for the few and awful to rule the many, in a tyrranical system full of traps, faults, manipulation, deception and whatever to force people to accept the system and belief whatever the system tells them.
    Every one of those socialist/communist/fascist dogmas claimed to have of the "will of the people" behind it, and be for their benefit against sinister, corrupt forces. You're making my case for me.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hypersonic View Post
    Damn I couldn't have said this better. Too bad I am on my crappy phone otherwise I'd hit that like button. I hope Max can take a good read at this.

    I read it and answered it. The whole point is based on a flawed argument. Based on person A (Harshaw) telling person B (me) what person B's opinion is, even if that is not his opinion. That you can even buy into that is highly disappointing.

    I did the same back at him in a later post. Lets see what he says.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    But:

    Humans = society.

    Thus, fail.

    No. Thats not true. If the few build the system of the many, then:
    society = a few humans
    humans = what the society makes them into
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Every one of those socialist/communist/fascist dogmas claimed to have of the "will of the people" behind it, and be for their benefit against sinister, corrupt forces. You're making my case for me.
    Well, you are the one who wants to have a single leader. I am the one who wants to have no leader at all. Be a dictator elected or not is completely irrelevant, he is still a dictator.

    I am the one who do not want a political class, you want a political class to decide everything, and leave no influence to the people.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Well, you are the one who wants to have a single leader.
    I do? From whence springs this notion?

    I am the one who wants to have no leader at all. Be a dictator elected or not is completely irrelevant, he is still a dictator.

    I am the one who do not want a political class, you want a political class to decide everything, and leave no influence to the people.
    And there you are right in line with the Communist Manifesto.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    So this thread is just a European starting a thread to trash the United States.
    That's what I got but to be fair, after he said "**** the US" he did add in Europe as well
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Do you agree with the statement (above)?

    What a ridiculous world, full of ridiculous countries, and their naive peoples.


    Every single person on this planet is ready to embrace a world society that makes sense. A society where we all get along and cooperate, a society where no one starves, where no one suffers. Everyone is ready to live in and contribute to a society where people do not live under horrific conditions. Everyone is ready to embrace a society where we all cooperate for a better world. Everyone is ready to embrace a society which is well organised and stable with a model that doesn't look like its made by monkeys. Everyone is ready for a society without all the lies, the deceit, manipulation and corruption. Everyone is ready to embrace a free society rather than be jailed and restricted by their governments. Everyone is ready to be free and open their mind instead of being narrow minded and controlled. Everyone is ready to embrace a society where everyone else is good and kind. Everyone is ready to live on a clean and wonderful planet. Everyone is ready to embrace useful change. Everyone wants quality. Everyone is ready for a fair economic system that make sense. Everyone wants everyone else to smile. Everyone wants a world of joy. Everyone wants to be safe. Everyone wants to experience fantastic and great things. Everyone wants to breathe clean air, everyone wants to drink pure water, everyone wants to eat delicious food. We all want to be happy. Everyone wants to live on a planet where everyone else is happy. Everyone wants a planet where everyone have all these things. Everyone wants to have a just society.


    But no. We have a society full of corruption, our planet is turning into a horrible hole, we are ruining the only place we have. We fight wars AGAINST OURSELVES. We lie, we manipulate, we are cruel to each others. We live on deception. Everyone is trapped in a society with massive brainwashing, where they have no ability to think for themselves any longer. We let the governments take all power and leave only an illusion to the people. Our society look like its organised by monkeys and savages. People starve, die of thirst and suffer every single minute. Our society is completely unstable so we choose not to cooperate and rather work against each others. For anyone who is awake and not an idiot, our society doesnt make sense at all. We poison our own food, we pollute our drinking water and soil, we empty the oceans, we live in really ugly cities. The government is hugging us so hard that they are suffocating us. Our rights are taken away day by day. We only care about profit. Everything we buy is low quality junk. Most people either steal from others as a criminal act or as a legal job, most people think only of them self. Most people say cruel things to others and try to create disharmony since they have no harmony themselves. We all feel bad.

    So f*** the US, they are now the worst.
    ...and Europe, we are on the same slippery slope.

    We step on the shoulders of the poor and suffering, we abuse other nations, we wage wars against them and kill their families, we poison their minds with unsound logic, we pretend we have democracy and stand and step on freedom and choice. We do most of the above things. We suck actually. We are immoral bastards.

    So, aside from the crooks in the US and Europe, how is the rest of the world? A damn slave labour camp, and those who don't do that, they suffer and die every day, from starvation or thirst or just horrid general conditions.


    This is ONE planet. We are ALL responsible to look at ourselves as ONE people. If someone from outside looked at this place, YOU would be considered one of those idiots on a planet with such a pathetic civilisation.

    Personally I am deeply ashamed to be a human being, being part of such a pathetic civilisation among people who do such horrendous things. I feel deeply ashamed that we let the people suffer, starve and die when we can EASILY do something about it. I feel sorry for all the dumb-asses who believe we live in good and free societies. Its probably because you only have trash to compare with.


    Take your head out of the sand and vote.
    So what would you propose we do to fix our ****ty world? Vote for who/what?
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    No. Thats not true. If the few build the system of the many, then:
    society = a few humans
    humans = what the society makes them into
    Humans and society are in a feedback loop.

    Society cannot control humans anymore than humans can control society.


    Do you have any idea how much that sounds like the USSR of the bad old days? A few humans (politburo), determining what society is in order to control the rest of the humans.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    You have no idea what I am talking about then. Just return the the OP and read it again!

    Its not about me, its about everyones will. I simply say, the peoples will should be the future, not some insane monsters in Washington DC, Paris, Cairo, Bangkok or anywhere else. You my friend seem to be completely against a democracy of the people, for the people and by the people. What you want is for the few and awful to rule the many, in a tyrranical system full of traps, faults, manipulation, deception and whatever to force people to accept the system and belief whatever the system tells them.
    I understand what you're saying. I just totally disagree.
    Think of it this way: Human beings are not like ants or bees. We're not programmed to work for the benefit of humanity, but for our own benefit. Moreover, since we're comparing ourselves to the animal kingdom, we have four general sorts of humans:
    There are the sheep, who want someone to herd them around and take care of them. They're no into thinking for themselves.
    Then there are the sheep dogs, who want to be able to herd others and control them. They like power for its own sake.
    Then there are the squirrels, content to be free without having to either control or be controlled. They just want to go their own way and do their own thing.
    Finally, there are the wolves, whose goal is to prey on the sheep and the squirrels.

    and somehow, we need to all live together.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    You need to jump out of that box again. Now you are just getting stuck in details and trying to win any argument you can. You fail to see the bigger picture and haven't been paying attention to what I have been saying. Its not about winning this discussion!

    Try to see things in the grandest perspective you can, not the narrowest.
    I've been paying attention to what you're saying. I just think it's totally unrealistic.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Uuh, all my old friends have joined the thread with their constructive debating. How nice.
    You don't debate so there is nothing for me to debate against... you whine, complain, bitch and moan about the USA letting you down and being a dreg on the planet.
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