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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I just happen to know very well what I am talking about when it comes to laptops and operating systems, programming and so fourth. Its easy to write bad an inefficient code, if your hardware platform do not challenge you to write better code. Which is why our utilisation of the hardware through the operating system and software, today is extremely poor.
    The next 10 years, if we kept the same hardware and instead optimised every bit of the operating system and all the software, we would end up with a zero sum game vs only upgrading the hardware.

    Until Windows 8, and somewhat starting to change with Windows 7. New hardware was only needed because the software just turned bigger and bigger and more inefficient. It was the operating system which slowed down the computers, not the hardware. And in many cases, Windows casued damaged to the CPU unit, the CPU fan and areas around, causing deterioration of existing hardware, due to bad implementation of hardware controlling features in the operating system..

    So yes, with the two models, we would have better hardware in one model, and better software in the other. The difference in speed and so fourth would be nothing. While the difference in GDP would be that it would be lower. While the difference on the garbage dumps would be significantly less garbage and the effect on peoples private economy would be less waste of money, that would then be spent elsewhere.


    The key of a laptop is NOT the hardware. The hardware is important. But it is the operating system that implements the hardware and the features and enables software to be developed.




    Most of the time you have to change the whole thing. The design itself is so bad that you usually cannot just upgrade or change one component. And the designs and standards are getting worse and worse in this regard.




    Software is the key to unleash the power of the hardware. And if you have inefficient and badly designed software of new hardware or fanstastically designed and efficient software on old hardware, the result should be just about the same in regard to use.
    You are hardly the first person who thinks that human behavior and human society can be engineered to an ideal, and that you're smart enough to do it.

    Millions of bones lie down that muddy path. Fortunately, no one else will ever take you seriously enough for you to get to try.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, now, we've gone from building a better society to building a better computer. The latter has improved enormously since the Apple //e of the 1980s, but the former has not.

    Perhaps building a better computer is easier.
    Its not about the computer at all. Its about GDP. The computer is just one example.

    While building less computers of higher quality that last longer and produce less trash is of obvious benefit to society, the result on GDP would be a lower GDP.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You are hardly the first person who thinks that human behavior and human society can be engineered to an ideal, and that you're smart enough to do it.

    Millions of bones lie down that muddy path. Fortunately, no one else will ever take you seriously enough for you to get to try.
    Its not about engineering society, in this example its about freeing society to enable it to be able to employ the best methods, rather than simply the most profitable ones. Profit as a goal is a complete fallacy.

    Its profitable to produce things that needs to be echanged all the time. Its not profitable to build products of quality that lasts. There is something which is obviously wrong with a model that works like that.

    Its profitable to empty the resources of our planet. Its profitable to cut down all our trees and vegetation. Its profitable to lay land bare to put up ugly industrial complexes that spew out poison into the air and contaminate the ground and water.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Its not about engineering society, in this example its about freeing society to enable it to be able to employ the best methods, rather than simply the most profitable ones. Profit as a goal is a complete fallacy.

    Its profitable to produce things that needs to be echanged all the time. Its not profitable to build products of quality that lasts. There is something which is obviously wrong with a model that works like that.

    Its profitable to empty the resources of our planet. Its profitable to cut down all our trees and vegetation. Its profitable to lay land bare to put up ugly industrial complexes that spew out poison into the air and contaminate the ground and water.
    Are you even aware that pretty much all of your social engineering rhetoric perfectly echoes all of the socialist/communist/fascist dogmas of the 20th century, in concept and in tone?

    As I said, millions of bones.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Its not about the computer at all. Its about GDP. The computer is just one example.

    While building less computers of higher quality that last longer and produce less trash is of obvious benefit to society, the result on GDP would be a lower GDP.
    I see.

    so, would you have bought a high quality Apple //e back in 1980, one designed to last for the next 33 years?

    How about a rotary dial phone from back in the '60s, now that was a piece of equipment made to last.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I had higher thoughts about you than letting yourself be fed by trolls and unpleasant people do yourself act in unpleasant ways. Thats too bad. Any respect I had for you and your opinion is now quickly vanishing.
    I've tried being respectful and engage your divisive views of my country. I even shared your sentiments regarding society. I asked you several times what are you doing to change the world. You see, anyone can complain about the world or different countries and don't do a dam thing. Anyone can call anyone sheep just because people share different political views, but it takes balls to get off your computer and make a difference. What you're doing is no different than what conspiracy theorist do while surfing the web.


    It's like with me and racism. My mother used to say "no matter how successful or educated you become you're still a n***er." Now she didn't mean society will always be racist or all whites think of me that way, what she meant was given the development of this country and social issues we face despite me ascending above racial stereotypes you'll always have people who think less of you. The people who think less of you, you can't change them just like you can't change the world. What you can do is make a ripple effect in your own life which could in some minute fashion effect the world.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You are hardly the first person who thinks that human behavior and human society can be engineered to an ideal, and that you're smart enough to do it.

    Millions of bones lie down that muddy path. Fortunately, no one else will ever take you seriously enough for you to get to try.

    Damn I couldn't have said this better. Too bad I am on my crappy phone otherwise I'd hit that like button. I hope Max can take a good read at this.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Its not about engineering society, in this example its about freeing society to enable it to be able to employ the best methods, rather than simply the most profitable ones. Profit as a goal is a complete fallacy.

    Its profitable to produce things that needs to be echanged all the time. Its not profitable to build products of quality that lasts. There is something which is obviously wrong with a model that works like that.

    Its profitable to empty the resources of our planet. Its profitable to cut down all our trees and vegetation. Its profitable to lay land bare to put up ugly industrial complexes that spew out poison into the air and contaminate the ground and water.
    But:

    Humans = society.

    Thus, fail.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Are you even aware that pretty much all of your social engineering rhetoric perfectly echoes all of the socialist/communist/fascist dogmas of the 20th century, in concept and in tone?

    As I said, millions of bones.

    You have no idea what I am talking about then. Just return the the OP and read it again!

    Its not about me, its about everyones will. I simply say, the peoples will should be the future, not some insane monsters in Washington DC, Paris, Cairo, Bangkok or anywhere else. You my friend seem to be completely against a democracy of the people, for the people and by the people. What you want is for the few and awful to rule the many, in a tyrranical system full of traps, faults, manipulation, deception and whatever to force people to accept the system and belief whatever the system tells them.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I see.

    so, would you have bought a high quality Apple //e back in 1980, one designed to last for the next 33 years?

    How about a rotary dial phone from back in the '60s, now that was a piece of equipment made to last.
    You need to jump out of that box again. Now you are just getting stuck in details and trying to win any argument you can. You fail to see the bigger picture and haven't been paying attention to what I have been saying. Its not about winning this discussion!

    Try to see things in the grandest perspective you can, not the narrowest.
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