View Poll Results: Is our civilisation pathetic?

Voters
62. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    10 16.13%
  • No

    52 83.87%
Page 30 of 53 FirstFirst ... 20282930313240 ... LastLast
Results 291 to 300 of 527

Thread: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

  1. #291
    Guru

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    09-24-17 @ 04:35 PM
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    2,942

    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I don't want to try.
    But everyone agrees. Didn't you get the memo?

  2. #292
    Sage
    Visbek's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:38 PM
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    10,017

    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Nah, I am the one who believes in a better world. I have high hopes and view on humankind.
    And yet, you openly insult people who don't agree with you. h'm


    You think our current pathetic civilisation is great or you have no hope in human kind to do any better than we are. Which is tragic and clearly an example of someone who have no faith in humanity.
    No, what I believe is that the world has actually improved, measurably and significantly so. There is room for more improvement. However, certain things (like deception) will never go away.


    That is a result of their environment, not their human nature. It doesn't have to be that way. But usually kids are afraid of parents if they do something wrong, and are compelled to use a construction of our civilisation to get out of that, lying.
    So, that's a "no" on your having kids then.

    Parents constantly tell their kids not to lie. Success rate at eliminating lying? 0%. The will and ability to deceive is just a part of human nature, and you will not get people to behave the way you want them to behave if you don't understand human nature.


    Are you saying we are are stupid as monkeys? That we cannot do better? Thats a dark view on humanity that I do not share.
    1) Monkeys are quite intelligent.
    2) I'm saying that you cannot stop humans from lying. Nor have you suggested any plan to do so.


    Thats not up to me, its up to all of us. Personally, I want my kids to grow up in a free world where they can become anything that they want.
    So they can be free, but only if they restrict their behavior per your personal preferences? That doesn't sound like "freedom" to me.


    We are all us. We live on the same planet, there is no us and them.
    You're missing the point. I am not saying that there are definitive groups, in fact I stated that the criteria for group membership is flexible. I'm pointing out how human beings have an innate propensity to divide themselves up to "us and them." E.g. in the Robbers Cave experiment, a group of kids with highly similar backgrounds were divided into two groups. The counselors were able to quickly guide the kids into forming group identities, and pit the two groups against one another; they were equally successful at unifying the two groups. I.e. you can change the content of the groups, but you cannot wipe out the idea of "group membership" altogether.

    This is almost certainly an evolutionary adaptation and a requirement for living in complex social groups. Chimpanzees, for example, also divide themselves up into troops, and within a troop they have complex subgroups -- e.g. they recognize families, they make alliances, they have a hierarchy based on competition, and so forth.


    If everyone grew up in an open world where they have everything they need we would have far more social harmony. It is a place where everyone would automatically be the friend of everyone else, because it makes no sense not to be.
    And how does this happen again? Especially since in such a world, a handful of brutes can easily take control of those who are busy hugging puppies.

    You might want to add The Selfish Gene to your reading list, as Dawkins discusses the idea of evolutionary survival strategies, and how it's rare that one tactic will work universally.


    I wasnt trying to come up with practical examples. Are you asking for some?
    Yep.

    There are about 6 billion people on the planet, who routinely divide themselves into groups and have genuine conflicts of interests. If you're going to say that it is easy to build a better world, then let's hear how it should be done.





    They own the system. You have no influence on that systems....
    Of course I do. Granted, my power is shared with around 300 million of my fellow citizens. But I can vote, I can advocate, I can discuss, I can protest, I can bring lawsuits, I can organize. If I am sufficiently motivated, I can join the political class.


    Did I say I was free? I live in the same system as you, and I am equally trapped by it. I am probably more open minded than you though, which makes me more free to understanding true freedom.
    The problem is that you know nothing of my background, nothing about the political ideas I've been exposed to, and your only criteria is whether or not someone agrees with you.

    And yes, if you're going to say "you are a sheep," that implies that you are not -- and yet, there is (per your own stipulation) nothing different between you and I. So how did you become so enlightened?


    Jogging is not only benefitial to me, but also to our society. They never teach such things in school.
    The US is getting better about teaching kids the benefits of exercise and eating healthy, and there is a lot of discussion of it in the media. It's having a small effect.

    No one really knows what causes obesity, thus it is not a simple process to figure out why it's happening, or how to stop it.

  3. #293
    Human 2.0
    Maximus Zeebra's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Western Europe
    Last Seen
    09-07-17 @ 10:19 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    6,568

    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Yes, they do.
    Well, if you count the amateurish gymnastics in school, then yea. But generally there is a huge lack of funds, competence, equipment and grounds in schools in general, leading to a very poor sport education for most people.
    That in general is an area where we definetely are pathetic. And with all the health problems, overweight and such of today it should be an area of high priority. Both sports science and practice, and nutritional science and food practice.

    It's a shame that so many people leave school without the ability to cook food!

    We certainly do not teach these important subject with the same rigour and professionality as the "prepare for work" subjects.


    Schooling and education in general need huge improvements. Take computer science for example, its already a mature establishment in our society, but schools are lagging far behind when it comes to providing such education at an elementary level. There is a huge gap in competence and equipment compared to what we need.
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

  4. #294
    Human 2.0
    Maximus Zeebra's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Western Europe
    Last Seen
    09-07-17 @ 10:19 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    6,568

    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    But everyone agrees. Didn't you get the memo?
    Its would be pretty silly not to want a better society.
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

  5. #295
    Human 2.0
    Maximus Zeebra's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Western Europe
    Last Seen
    09-07-17 @ 10:19 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    6,568

    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's gonna take you weeks to figure out that anarchy is stupid. I'm so waiting for that morsel of wisdom.

    You're not the boss of me. I do what I want.
    No you don't. You do what the system allows you.
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

  6. #296
    global liberation

    ecofarm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Miami
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 07:49 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    66,400

    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Well, if you count the amateurish gymnastics in school, then yea. But generally there is a huge lack of funds, competence, equipment and grounds in schools in general, leading to a very poor sport education for most people.
    That in general is an area where we definetely are pathetic. And with all the health problems, overweight and such of today it should be an area of high priority. Both sports science and practice, and nutritional science and food practice.
    A school is not ones parents and jogging doesn't cost anything. If a kid does not have physical activity as part of their day, and a decent diet, then the parents are ****bags and nothing will change that.

    Stop relying on the government to do everything. Take some personal responsibility.

  7. #297
    global liberation

    ecofarm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Miami
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 07:49 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    66,400

    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    No you don't. You do what the system allows you.
    Oh, please. I've done things most only dream of. The system never gave me anything, I had to work for my accomplishments. Perhaps everything you've ever had was handed to you by the government, but most people DO something.

  8. #298
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Mecca
    Last Seen
    01-14-15 @ 07:04 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    6,426

    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Most people either steal from others as a criminal act or as a legal job,
    So what do you steal?

  9. #299
    Guru

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    09-24-17 @ 04:35 PM
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    2,942

    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Its would be pretty silly not to want a better society.
    True. It's also pretty silly to assume that it's possible for everyone on earth to be happy and compliant with your wishes at all times.

  10. #300
    Sage

    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Goldsboro,PA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:07 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    5,596
    Blog Entries
    1

    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Well, if you count the amateurish gymnastics in school, then yea. But generally there is a huge lack of funds, competence, equipment and grounds in schools in general, leading to a very poor sport education for most people.
    That in general is an area where we definetely are pathetic. And with all the health problems, overweight and such of today it should be an area of high priority. Both sports science and practice, and nutritional science and food practice.

    It's a shame that so many people leave school without the ability to cook food!

    We certainly do not teach these important subject with the same rigour and professionality as the "prepare for work" subjects.


    Schooling and education in general need huge improvements. Take computer science for example, its already a mature establishment in our society, but schools are lagging far behind when it comes to providing such education at an elementary level. There is a huge gap in competence and equipment compared to what we need.
    Even as I think that the schools can do more; they simply cannot do absolutely everything...There are just so many hours in a day..
    Hillary Clinton ....It takes a community to rear a child....
    Max, things are not as bad as you make them to be.....
    And, its a delicate operation to change /improve things...I am good at pointing this out (easy part), but lousy at getting people to change....
    Where do you stand ?

Page 30 of 53 FirstFirst ... 20282930313240 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •