Of course, no system is really stable in the conditions it lays out and all systems go towards a general path towards their destruction. Government just seems to be a necessary step towards it.
As for people harming each other though, to the most part people would work together and take part in activities that better their condition. While some people will harm others the extent of that is largely up to the individual people like it is with any other system.
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Daily life is safer; fewer people are killed or harmed by wars. Slavery, which was common throughout most of world history, has been all but completely eradicated. The percentage of deaths in warfare in pre-state societies is estimated to be very high (around 20%), whereas 20th century world estimates are well below 5%. The abandonment of autocracies, the rise of the rule of law, organized police, and increases in affluence are all likely contributors to a safer world.
And a lot of that progress didn't happen because of wars, but in spite of them. We didn't develop the goal of an accountable government because one group of soldiers killed another group, it was because of the ideas of Enlightenment philosophers.
I'm not the one proclaiming that modern civilization is "pathetic." It looks to me like you're the pessimist here.I don't agree with that assessment. I guess I have a higher view of and hope for humanity than you do.
It's also very clear that, for example, deception is not going away. Anyone who has kids knows that it doesn't take long for the kid to attempt lying to the parents -- or that parents frequently feel compelled to lie to their children. Deception is a common tactic, and one that works fairly well, observed all throughout the animal kingdom. There's no way you can stop people from lying, unless you develop a completely oppressive and draconian society.
I.e. if you're going to allow people to be free, you have to accept that people are going to do things you don't like.
Again, we are actually improving, because of societal steps.I think that is an essential next step for humanity. To mature and outgrow all of those pity problems.
You also have to realize that while humans do respond to social conditions, we are also hard-wired in many respects. E.g. you cannot talk people out of dividing into "us and them." While the criteria is flexible, the desire to divide social groups into "in-group" and "out-group" is almost certainly a hard-wired human response.
Uh huh. I notice you're long on criticism, short on actual policies. Care to explain how you convince everyone to hug and distribute puppies all day long?We can easily eradicate those things if we want.
The political class doesn't "own" us. I don't believe that's the case even for a lot of people I disagree with politically.It is a fantasy yes, because the political class who own all of you, even your ideas, they seem to not want that.
Nor do you have any sort of special privileged access to True Freedom, that no one else has. You just have a rhetorical flourish that you can invoke when you are unable to prove your assertions.
Here's a transcript of a lecture he did, based on his work. It's a much faster read than the book.Perhaps I will take you up on that.
A History of Violence Edge Master Class 2011 | Edge.org
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You think our current pathetic civilisation is great or you have no hope in human kind to do any better than we are. Which is tragic and clearly an example of someone who have no faith in humanity.
I have faith in humanity, thats why I think we can do a lot better than we are.
I also want them to live in an open society where parents don't have to lie to them or make them afraid. Where they are free to explore things their own way with parental guidance.
I believe a harmonious society is possible and very realistic. But then again I have high faith in humans and believe they are inherently good, but that our social construct or civilisation turns many of them bad.
Jogging is not only benefitial to me, but also to our society. They never teach such things in school. In particularily in the US. I am always very sorry when I hear you have such crazy obesity levels over there. I think our obesity levels over here are crazy, at about half of yours. So, I cook, eat healthy, do sports etc. All the things that they never put any real weight on in school, even though it is of the highest importance. School prepares you to work in the system, doesn't it?
Europe is illegally occupied by the US