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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    The whole system is anti freedom. Most people have no choice of the life they live.
    That's delusional paranoid victim psychosis.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What sucks is that our government is really bad at doing anything in an economically feasible fashion. They just suck at it. I wouldn't want to imagine the red tape and inefficiency involved if our government provided healthcare.
    I agree with that. But I think it is a good human trait to care for the health of others.

    Water, food, shelter, health, education (expansional) and security are all fundamental issues of human existance.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That's delusional paranoid victim psychosis.
    Yes, ofcourse, because you never sacrificed it enough thought. Thats why you believe that, in the same way some people believe in ghosts and magic.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I agree with that. But I think it is a good human trait to care for the health of others.

    Water, food, shelter, health, education (expansional) and security are all fundamental issues of human existance.
    It is, but it's unrealistic to think everyone or even most people would. In a case of anarchy too, those who do survive are the ones who care the least usually. They are the ones willing to go to extremes to get what they want obviously. Especially those who are desperate.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Obamacare is not universal healthcare. I know, I have universal healthcare and everywhere I go in the EU i have universal healthcare.

    Universal healthcare is when you pay a given % of your income to the state and in return, you get wheatever medical services you need, or from a wide range of medical needs.

    For instance, my GP (family doctor) can send me to the state hospital to get bloodwork if I want to, no extra cost. I can however, because there are private hospitals, go to a private hospital and pay for blood analysis if I want to without a recommendation from my gp.

    But the point is. Any medical practice that my family doctor deems fit, i can get it for free from any state hospital. When I was 14, I had developed ingrown nail thanks to some cretin who faulted me heavily when playing football. One visit to the family doctor later, I was already given a recommendation to go to the hospital for an operation. No cost for me or my family. I could have gone to a a private clinic and pay for it, but why bother.

    Today, I have no family doctor now because I finished college earlier this year but during college, i had access to the campus doctor which fulfilled the same roles(my family doctor was in another city anyway). I will have to find a general practitioner sooner or later and enroll myself to him in his practice.
    I also have a job now but I don't need to get insurance. All I need is to get a general doctor and have him consult me. Lets say I have an infection or smth that needs an operation, he looks at me... he writes me a note to go to the hospital and get the operation done. If I want, I can pay and go to a private hospital... but why bother.

    But there are things that I am allowed to do and pay for them if I want. For instance, I can have access to dental care in a public hospital but all my life I went to a private practice to the same doctor. I don't go there because the state tells me to, I do it because I like how she works and I trust her. I can switch dentists anytime I want, no problem. If I had a family doctor I could go to him, have him give me a note and go to the public hospital for dental care.


    The point is. Obamacare is not universal healthcare. It's universal insurance for people, whether they want it or not. For instance, I don't want health insurance. Why would I? I have universal healthcare. But if my govt would say: ok, everyone needs to have PRIVATE health insurance, whether you're working or not, or you'll be fined... I'd be pissed. And so would a lot of other people.
    In Germany its also free to go to the dentist.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It is, but it's unrealistic to think everyone or even most people would. In a case of anarchy too, those who do survive are the ones who care the least usually. They are the ones willing to go to extremes to get what they want obviously. Especially those who are desperate.
    No no no, thats not the type of anarchy I am talking about. We must have laws.

    Anarchy for me means that your life is not prescribed, that choice is up to people, rather than the system. in my view of anarchy, you must have laws, in particular those 10 commandmends for example.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Are you analysing yourself there and your very constructive input into this?
    Sick burn bruh.

    Every generation since the dawn of time has had some doomsayer claiming that the current age was the most pathetic thing they've ever seen, and 99.9 percent of it is complete claptrap.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    In Germany its also free to go to the dentist.
    it's free to go to the state dentist here too, but I choose to go to a private practice.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What sucks is that our government is really bad at doing anything in an economically feasible fashion. They just suck at it. I wouldn't want to imagine the red tape and inefficiency involved if our government provided healthcare.
    From where I'm standing, I can see how universal healthcare in the USA would be a win all accross the board. And I know how Congress can do it in a way that it's impossible to **** up unless they're retarded. This is how:

    Find a good-functioning universal healthcare law in Europe that belongs to a federation -> Germany.
    Copy-paste it entirely and then just modify the names of the states. From Thuringia to Virginia. From Saxony to Kansas. From Hesse to Texas, etc. And make 50 of them. Then pass it.

    Republicans would be happier because universal healthcare in Europe is cheaper than in the USA. Germany is in the top 10 countries in the world in terms of healthcare and it costs HALF of what healthcare costs in the USA and it's ranked much better.
    Democrats would be happy because they'd learn how to read and write a successful piece of legislation.
    Obama would be happy because he wouldn't have to deal with Congress for another debt limit dealing during his term and the people would be happier because of 2 reasons:
    a) congress would actually DO something
    b) they'd get better healthcare.

    Ideally I'd say copy France's. Those frog-eaters have been in the top 3 with a preponderance to be #1 in healthcare for 20 years now. But they're a unitary state, not a federation, and trusting Congress to implement that law for a federation is too risky and too demanding, considering the intellectual capacity of 90% of Congress.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    it's free to go to the state dentist here too, but I choose to go to a private practice.



    From where I'm standing, I can see how universal healthcare in the USA would be a win all accross the board. And I know how Congress can do it in a way that it's impossible to **** up unless they're retarded. This is how:

    Find a good-functioning universal healthcare law in Europe that belongs to a federation -> Germany.
    Copy-paste it entirely and then just modify the names of the states. From Thuringia to Virginia. From Saxony to Kansas. From Hesse to Texas, etc. And make 50 of them. Then pass it.

    Republicans would be happier because universal healthcare in Europe is cheaper than in the USA. Germany is in the top 10 countries in the world in terms of healthcare and it costs HALF of what healthcare costs in the USA and it's ranked much better.
    Democrats would be happy because they'd learn how to read and write a successful piece of legislation.
    Obama would be happy because he wouldn't have to deal with Congress for another debt limit dealing during his term and the people would be happier because of 2 reasons:
    a) congress would actually DO something
    b) they'd get better healthcare.

    Ideally I'd say copy France's. Those frog-eaters have been in the top 3 with a preponderance to be #1 in healthcare for 20 years now. But they're a unitary state, not a federation, and trusting Congress to implement that law for a federation is too risky and too demanding, considering the intellectual capacity of 90% of Congress.
    The problem is that the government doesn't actually care about us, but about those lobbyists which line their pockets and make donations to their campaign funds. And some of them are apparently retarded too.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The problem is that the government doesn't actually care about us, but about those lobbyists which line their pockets and make donations to their campaign funds. And some of them are apparently retarded too.
    The way I see it, anyone whose name has been attached to obamacare, as either a virulent opposition or a fanatic supporter ( who is that idiot who said: we need to pass the bill to know what's in it) needs to get kicked out and tried for treason. Or if treason is too hard, at least be looked at by teams of psychologists to determine what can cause infectious stupidity in people. They should donate their bodies to science... maybe we'll find a cure for idiocracy. I don't know. But anyone who hasn't been able to come up with a logical, good alternative, or propose a solution that isn't obamacare or the current system needs to be kicked out.

    It is inhumane to go bankrupt because you need to live because you have a medical condition.

    Now I'm not saying universal healthcare is flawless. It isn't. It can break. It's just the best option that combines actual healthcare with proper legislation and with sustainable costs.

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