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Thread: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    It terrible, especially when you consider that the courts are no longer independent, but political. usually an arm of the ruling party.

    Agreed. A lot of times the courts will determine policy based upon their own ideological interpretation.

    I never said the person has to be poor, but they have to live under poor conditions while they are a politician.
    If you think about it, the salary for the president of the US is only like 200,000 dollars a year I believe. It might be a little less or a little more, not sure, but the point is they are far from making what your average movie star makes, so not considered a rich salary. However, they are practically guaranteed to be rich to begin with anyhow. They are the only ones who can afford to run. Another problem is that they need the backing of their political party in order to win an election because they are the ones who fund all of the publicity and commercials, etc. It's so complicated to find a realistic solution.



    Corruption definetely existed back then. It might even be the reason that Socrates was killed. Because he spoke out against it.

    Both of them were deeply unhappy about their government it seems.
    Exactly! There has never and probably never will be a "perfect" form of government that everyone is happy with.


    I don't support a majority tyrrany. I support a system where an overwhelming majority holds a view. I also support what the good man Ron Paul supports, in regards to the state interfaring with peoples lifestyles. They shouldn't.
    I agree with that, but we do need to have laws to protect the vulnerable, as they often times cannot always depend upon anyone else, such as children.

    If homosexuals wants to be homosexuals, they can, but in their own private sphere.

    Its not something that the state should promote or demote. Marriage and such should be up to the states to decide on. In that way, people who dont want to have gay marriage can move to a state with no gay marriage. Then we are all free to live in a place that suit us. Not in regards to marriage only, but a whole range of things.
    I agree with that, but again you'll have people who are unhappy with one thing or another, but the federal government cannot seem to mind it's own business or even do what it's supposed to do, such as secure borders.

    Actually, that is a strong conviction that I do have. That the world should be under a mininal regime of global regulation and that ALL policies, laws and democracy should be LOCAL and regionally (regionally as in states in the US, and regions in Europe, like Bavaria in Germany).

    That way, all regions and states can have completely different laws, and people can move to those regions and laws, fit best with their own views, rather than to have laws, rules and norms pushed down their throat.
    I agree with this too.

    I just mentioned is as an example, because you have the most cementing constitution and the most obvious politicians overtramping of it. But yes, unfortunately, its like that everywhere.
    Again, I agree with this. Our federal government is way to big and overbearing.

    I don't support any of todays governmental models. But Switzerland would be the one that would be closest to my view.

    I believe the world should seriously look into governance and organise that again. The current model does not work.
    Some people would disagree and say it works just fine though. Some people would even like MORE government involvement. People see things according to their own wants and/or needs.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Freedom is anarchy. Lack of freedom is tyrrany.

    its not about selecting one or another of all the models. There are many good things about each model that we can use. But all in all, its better to move towards a controlled and well functional anarchy model where people decide about their own lives, than towards a tyrranical model where people are controlled by a system. Be it with a dictator or without.
    In my opinion anarchy is more of the goal of humanity, but not something that will probably ever happen. At the moment we seem to be going in the exact opposite direction and not paying any mind on exactly why government is needed in the first place. Then again, I doubt many people really understand it either.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    To close Washington and create the government made out in the US constitution.
    If someone is grossly neglecting their job, the first thing to think it: they should get fired.

    If the whole government model is illegal, then it needs to be taken down and made legal.
    Anytime I speak of this, one politician in particular comes to mind, Charlie Rangel. He was "censured" by Congress. But yet, there will be people who will say this is no biggie because they happen to share his ideological viewpoints.

    Congressman Charlie Rangel: "Wrong to Abuse the Tax System" - ABC News

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Corruption is just a side effect of the problem. The problem can't be resolved since people are always going to be interested in oppressing and harming others. The problem with democracy is that it feeds into the weaknesses of people and does little to empower their strengths. The problem with democracy is rooted in people finding that they can use government towards their own ends usually at the expense of others. Just look at the ACA for example, the largest most talked about parts of the law are either involuntary servitude, forced commerce or using government to provide people individual services at others expense. If people want to actually get to a point where democracy works they have to stop pushing for government to fix their problems and focus more on rights and liberties. As it stands, we seem to be a part in a history where people don't want to be spied on and yet want government to keep them save at all times, don't want to be overly burden in taxes and yet want the government to provide them the basics in life, want liberty, but don't want it for their neighbor if they benefit from them losing it. Most people live in a constant state of contradiction and self denial.
    Yes, but one could also say corruption is the cause of that. Specifically the example you mention about freedom given away in the name of security. Its the government that pushed that agenda, not the people. They exploited the unfortunate 911 events to implement policies that the people never asked for. And now keeps doing that with spying and surveillance.

    'But yes, you are right, there are also many contradictions.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It's basically misanthrophy, mixed with a healthy does of xenophobia, arrogance and quite frankly just being a plain old dick.
    Are you analysing yourself there and your very constructive input into this?
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    Term limits would be helpful, just like the presidency, all should be limited. There are instances where politicians admit to actually becoming more and more corrupt the longer they remain in office.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The Affordable Care Act is settled law per a U.S. Supreme Court decision.

    When will the G-nO-P ever wake up and accept reality?
    Obamacare is not universal healthcare. I know, I have universal healthcare and everywhere I go in the EU i have universal healthcare.

    Universal healthcare is when you pay a given % of your income to the state and in return, you get wheatever medical services you need, or from a wide range of medical needs.

    For instance, my GP (family doctor) can send me to the state hospital to get bloodwork if I want to, no extra cost. I can however, because there are private hospitals, go to a private hospital and pay for blood analysis if I want to without a recommendation from my gp.

    But the point is. Any medical practice that my family doctor deems fit, i can get it for free from any state hospital. When I was 14, I had developed ingrown nail thanks to some cretin who faulted me heavily when playing football. One visit to the family doctor later, I was already given a recommendation to go to the hospital for an operation. No cost for me or my family. I could have gone to a a private clinic and pay for it, but why bother.

    Today, I have no family doctor now because I finished college earlier this year but during college, i had access to the campus doctor which fulfilled the same roles(my family doctor was in another city anyway). I will have to find a general practitioner sooner or later and enroll myself to him in his practice.
    I also have a job now but I don't need to get insurance. All I need is to get a general doctor and have him consult me. Lets say I have an infection or smth that needs an operation, he looks at me... he writes me a note to go to the hospital and get the operation done. If I want, I can pay and go to a private hospital... but why bother.

    But there are things that I am allowed to do and pay for them if I want. For instance, I can have access to dental care in a public hospital but all my life I went to a private practice to the same doctor. I don't go there because the state tells me to, I do it because I like how she works and I trust her. I can switch dentists anytime I want, no problem. If I had a family doctor I could go to him, have him give me a note and go to the public hospital for dental care.


    The point is. Obamacare is not universal healthcare. It's universal insurance for people, whether they want it or not. For instance, I don't want health insurance. Why would I? I have universal healthcare. But if my govt would say: ok, everyone needs to have PRIVATE health insurance, whether you're working or not, or you'll be fined... I'd be pissed. And so would a lot of other people.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    You sense yourself then, because you do not know me, and have not read what I have written earlier, specifically in regards to such ridiculous accusations.
    Its far the opposite actually. For those who do not care about the fate of society, they have utter contempt and hatred for others.

    I care, and your accusation is completely out of line.

    Yeah, whatever.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Obamacare is not universal healthcare. I know, I have universal healthcare and everywhere I go in the EU i have universal healthcare.

    Universal healthcare is when you pay a given % of your income to the state and in return, you get wheatever medical services you need, or from a wide range of medical needs.

    For instance, my GP (family doctor) can send me to the state hospital to get bloodwork if I want to, no extra cost. I can however, because there are private hospitals, go to a private hospital and pay for blood analysis if I want to without a recommendation from my gp.

    But the point is. Any medical practice that my family doctor deems fit, i can get it for free from any state hospital. When I was 14, I had developed ingrown nail thanks to some cretin who faulted me heavily when playing football. One visit to the family doctor later, I was already given a recommendation to go to the hospital for an operation. No cost for me or my family. I could have gone to a a private clinic and pay for it, but why bother.

    Today, I have no family doctor now because I finished college earlier this year but during college, i had access to the campus doctor which fulfilled the same roles(my family doctor was in another city anyway). I will have to find a general practitioner sooner or later and enroll myself to him in his practice.
    I also have a job now but I don't need to get insurance. All I need is to get a general doctor and have him consult me. Lets say I have an infection or smth that needs an operation, he looks at me... he writes me a note to go to the hospital and get the operation done. If I want, I can pay and go to a private hospital... but why bother.

    But there are things that I am allowed to do and pay for them if I want. For instance, I can have access to dental care in a public hospital but all my life I went to a private practice to the same doctor. I don't go there because the state tells me to, I do it because I like how she works and I trust her. I can switch dentists anytime I want, no problem. If I had a family doctor I could go to him, have him give me a note and go to the public hospital for dental care.


    The point is. Obamacare is not universal healthcare. It's universal insurance for people, whether they want it or not. For instance, I don't want health insurance. Why would I? I have universal healthcare. But if my govt would say: ok, everyone needs to have PRIVATE health insurance, whether you're working or not, or you'll be fined... I'd be pissed. And so would a lot of other people.
    What sucks is that our government is really bad at doing anything in an economically feasible fashion. They just suck at it. I wouldn't want to imagine the red tape and inefficiency involved if our government provided healthcare.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    In my opinion anarchy is more of the goal of humanity, but not something that will probably ever happen. At the moment we seem to be going in the exact opposite direction and not paying any mind on exactly why government is needed in the first place. Then again, I doubt many people really understand it either.
    The whole system is anti freedom. Most people have no choice of the life they live. Its like "you are free, but you have to do this, and this, and this".

    I started thinking about anarchy some time ago and the concept of having no government at all. The consequences are overwhelming, the possibilities are endless and mechanisms to make it possibly extremely complicated.

    So I decided I would not think to much about it at the moment, it will take days and weeks to even start processing it properly.
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