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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Well then, we feel the same. I'm staying. Civilization is better than it ever has been and my standard of living is beyond the dreams of just a couple generations ago. Self-righteous, self-absorbed, conspiracy theorist, fringe partisan malcontents can go.
    I agree. Our lives are easier and the quality of life is better than at any point in history. People apparently expect perfection, and they are always going to be disappointed.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Finally someone who nailed it. This is essentially the my whole point and a prerequisite for a good world.

    Many of the things in the OP is about that exactly.
    It's so simple minded though. Sure it's nice to dream.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Very constructive. Twisting my words and trying to insult me.

    What I said earlier still applies to you. How can you not have learned proper politeness and some elegance and grace in your 70 years on this planet?





    Ps. I never said people are losers, I said I don't want us to loose



    Learning how to spell correctly is very simple.

    I see poor spellers as losers and I see no reason to cut them any slack.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    It's important to realize that there's no such thing as perfection. Every system of government is going to have it's pitfalls. Every person has his or her own flaws. People are inherently selfish and look out to protect their own interests. That is a survival mechanism.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Such as? I'm not too familiar with the way Switzerland does things. Could you be more specific?
    Switzerland is kind of a federation. Each state in it, is independent actually, practically. It is how the US model should have been. Power is decentralised into those states, rather than centralised as a national government. They do have a national government and it does have powers, but each state can choose not to follow any new law of that centralised government.

    I am not extremely strong in my understanding of the Swizz model, but as far as I know, most policies are managed at the state level, rather than the federal level. And those at the federal level is more a cooperation organisation for the states where they agree on common policies and implement them together.

    In Switzerland the people have the right to call for a referedum on ANY policy. This means that any point the people of the states, and I think also at a national level can vote to discard any policy, or implement any popular policy. Referendums are popular in Switzerland, there are many of them, especially at the state levels.


    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Okay, but that is just not realistic. You are going to get what you pay for, even more incompetence.
    I dont agree, I think it is the opposite. Money creates the corruption, and the lack of it would bring only people who have important views, into politics.

    But then again, I think politicians should not be the people in power, I think they should be idea makers, just like Plato thought. The philosophers should be the politicians. But unlike Plato I think the people should be the ones with the power.


    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I completely agree, but those parties and their followers have completely taken over politics unfortunately. I would really love to get rid of both main parties.
    Its terrible. In Europe we have many parties, but almost the same scenario as in the US. We have two "alliances" and they fight to get power, they fight to be right, and have absolutely no regard for what the people want.


    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well the problem with this is that everyone does not share the same value system. Everyone votes to reflect their own wants, needs and values.
    Ooh yes, ofcourse. I did not mean values actually. I meant "state values", being laws that represents the general values of a majority. Not 50%, but a huge majority, lets say 75% for example.
    There are many cases where the government goes against the obvious values of their people when changing laws. This should not be possible.

    We need to vote and cement a certain foundation of our state. Like the constitution for example. That should be unchangable. Bill of rights being state values for example.

    Unfortunately in the US, now the politicians do not care about it anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Some good points but no real solutions that I can see. I'm sure Sweden and Switzerland have their own issues.
    Sweden and Switzerland are very different, whereas Sweden have a faulty democratic system just like the US and most European systems, Switzerland have a different democratic system from everyone else in the west, and the world actually.

    i am not saying its perfect, but it is a good beginning. Switzerland do have their own issues, and the people is not fully in charge, which is why there are some policies that I am sure most Swiss people do not support.
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It's so simple minded though. Sure it's nice to dream.
    Its foolish not to want to make dreams into reality.
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Wait..are you saying that you judge people as losers that judge other people as losers. Isn't that calling yourself a loser?



    That isn't what I said.

    Anyone who incorrectly interprets what others say in a way that benefits them is a loser.

    Now do you get it?

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Learning how to spell correctly is very simple.

    I see poor spellers as losers and I see no reason to cut them any slack.
    Showing your real charachter here I will refer you to the point of Henrin.
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Its foolish not to want to make dreams into reality.



    Or maybe anyone who thinks that their dreams will ever be reality is foolish.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Money creates the corruption, and the lack of it would bring only people who have important views, into politics.
    Corruption existed long before money. Money does not create. It is a tool, a simple inanimate object. Blaming it for anything is stupid.

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