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Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

Is our civilisation pathetic?

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According to that eminent philosopher, Charles "Chip" Kelly: "90% of people don't care about your problems and 10% of the people are glad you have them."
 
AliHajiSheik said:
According to that eminent philosopher, Charles "Chip" Kelly: "90% of people don't care about your problems and 10% of the people are glad you have them."
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Why are they glad you have them?



also. is it not so that people are sarcastic and unpleasant to each other because they themselves have no inner harmony. Its easier to create disharmony for others than to create harmony for yourself. People can even feel better for doing so.


So. Why is it he says that 10% are like that? Why why why?????
 
Dittohead not! said:
Because they hate anyone who has different beliefs than they do, of course.
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Really? Is that a fact or speculation?

What would they do in a good world that they were happy in, that worked well, was free, well organised etc etc (all the things from the first post again)?
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Really? Is that a fact or speculation?

What would they do in a good world that they were happy in, that worked well, was free, well organised etc etc (all the things from the first post again)?
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Fact.
A world that they were happy in would be one in which everyone is a Muslim extremist who believes the same as they do. Anything else would be unacceptable.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
So, we should listen to everyone, every single individual, and create a good world in the image of every single individual.

Then I think we would end up with a good world anyways.





..who do we listen to today to shape our world? (the most inglouriours basterds)
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Perhaps because in competition he sees the best in people come forth in trying to reach their maximum potential and group success.

Does success create collective disharmony?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Fact.
A world that they were happy in would be one in which everyone is a Muslim extremist who believes the same as they do. Anything else would be unacceptable.
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Really? You are welcome to think so. I don't think so.

Are you saying truly evil people exist? Are you saying ideologies are irregardless of the world around them?

It is a fact that the US builds up their military and spends a relative big amounts of weapons and war. There are several strong ideologies tied to US military power. But in a society without the need for war that would obviously no longer be a fact.

Who is to say religion would exist in a good world at all? And who is to say that old religions would not united under common goals, moral views etc etc in a good world, making old religions as they are by themself, irrelevant?



What about western terrorists like the bombers and shooters here (non muslims)?


Ps. Who are the ones that strap on the bombs?
 
Poll is way, way too black-or-white for me to vote in. And that first long paragraph is simply false. This world, including this nation, has too many narcissists and sociopaths for me to even consider the idea that everyone wants to live at peace with everyone else.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Do you agree with the statement (above)?

What a ridiculous world, full of ridiculous countries, and their naive peoples.


Every single person on this planet is ready to embrace a world society that makes sense. A society where we all get along and cooperate, a society where no one starves, where no one suffers. Everyone is ready to live in and contribute to a society where people do not live under horrific conditions. Everyone is ready to embrace a society where we all cooperate for a better world. Everyone is ready to embrace a society which is well organised and stable with a model that doesn't look like its made by monkeys. Everyone is ready for a society without all the lies, the deceit, manipulation and corruption. Everyone is ready to embrace a free society rather than be jailed and restricted by their governments. Everyone is ready to be free and open their mind instead of being narrow minded and controlled. Everyone is ready to embrace a society where everyone else is good and kind. Everyone is ready to live on a clean and wonderful planet. Everyone is ready to embrace useful change. Everyone wants quality. Everyone is ready for a fair economic system that make sense. Everyone wants everyone else to smile. Everyone wants a world of joy. Everyone wants to be safe. Everyone wants to experience fantastic and great things. Everyone wants to breathe clean air, everyone wants to drink pure water, everyone wants to eat delicious food. We all want to be happy. Everyone wants to live on a planet where everyone else is happy. Everyone wants a planet where everyone have all these things. Everyone wants to have a just society.


But no. We have a society full of corruption, our planet is turning into a horrible hole, we are ruining the only place we have. We fight wars AGAINST OURSELVES. We lie, we manipulate, we are cruel to each others. We live on deception. Everyone is trapped in a society with massive brainwashing, where they have no ability to think for themselves any longer. We let the governments take all power and leave only an illusion to the people. Our society look like its organised by monkeys and savages. People starve, die of thirst and suffer every single minute. Our society is completely unstable so we choose not to cooperate and rather work against each others. For anyone who is awake and not an idiot, our society doesnt make sense at all. We poison our own food, we pollute our drinking water and soil, we empty the oceans, we live in really ugly cities. The government is hugging us so hard that they are suffocating us. Our rights are taken away day by day. We only care about profit. Everything we buy is low quality junk. Most people either steal from others as a criminal act or as a legal job, most people think only of them self. Most people say cruel things to others and try to create disharmony since they have no harmony themselves. We all feel bad.

So f*** the US, they are now the worst.
...and Europe, we are on the same slippery slope.

We step on the shoulders of the poor and suffering, we abuse other nations, we wage wars against them and kill their families, we poison their minds with unsound logic, we pretend we have democracy and stand and step on freedom and choice. We do most of the above things. We suck actually. We are immoral bastards.

So, aside from the crooks in the US and Europe, how is the rest of the world? A damn slave labour camp, and those who don't do that, they suffer and die every day, from starvation or thirst or just horrid general conditions.


This is ONE planet. We are ALL responsible to look at ourselves as ONE people. If someone from outside looked at this place, YOU would be considered one of those idiots on a planet with such a pathetic civilisation.

Personally I am deeply ashamed to be a human being, being part of such a pathetic civilisation among people who do such horrendous things. I feel deeply ashamed that we let the people suffer, starve and die when we can EASILY do something about it. I feel sorry for all the dumb-asses who believe we live in good and free societies. Its probably because you only have trash to compare with.


Take your head out of the sand and vote.
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What a despicable message!

So you prefer those countries that criminalize homosexuality, enslave women, and torture or murder anyone who does not subscribe to the correct religion precisely or does not cheer their government claiming they are superior to the United States. You HATE the Bill of Rights, HATE freedom of religion, freedom of speech and freedom of the press. You prefer tyrannts, torturers and radical theocratic dictators as being not as bad as the USA. THAT is what you messages says in reality.

I find your message to be totally repulsive and completely detached from reality.

Why don't you move to one of those superior countries?

Yes, us Americans should vote. We should vote mostly to make sure no one with your attitudes and senses of priorities never holds any position of power or influence.
 
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AliHajiSheik said:
Perhaps because in competition he sees the best in people come forth in trying to reach their maximum potential and group success.

Does success create collective disharmony?
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How do you measure success? Is it not wrong to measure it on an individual basis?

Should we not rather measure success on how the most unsuccessfull person in the world has it rather than the most successfull?
 
Phys251 said:
Poll is way, way too black-or-white for me to vote in. And that first long paragraph is simply false. This world, including this nation, has too many narcissists and sociopaths for me to even consider the idea that everyone wants to live at peace with everyone else.
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Thats completely irrelevant.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Thats completely irrelevant.
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Then explain how pretty much everyone who has replied to this thread has a similar view of the OP's absurdity.

Hint: When do DP-ers agree on ANYTHING?
 
joko104 said:
What a despicable message!

So you prefer those countries that criminalize homosexuality, enslave women, and torture or murder anyone who does not subscribe to the correct religion precisely or does not cheer their government claiming they are superior to the United States. You HATE the Bill of Rights, HATE freedom of religion, freedom of speech and freedom of the press. You prefer tyrannts, torturers and radical theocratic dictators as being not as bad as the USA. THAT is what you messages says in reality.

I find your message to be totally repulsive and completely detached from reality.

Why don't you move to one of those superior countries?

Yes, us Americans should vote. We should vote mostly to make sure no one with your attitudes and senses of priorities never holds any position of power or influence.
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Its pretty silly if you think that is what I said. Its time for you to do some internal searching.

thanks
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Really? You are welcome to think so. I don't think so.
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Opinions are like noses, everyone has one.

Maximus Zeebra said:
Are you saying truly evil people exist? Are you saying ideologies are irregardless of the world around them?
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Absolutely. Evil exists in this world, evil people exist, and ideologues are not interested in the real world.

Maximus Zeebra said:
It is a fact that the US builds up their military and spends a relative big amounts of weapons and war. There are several strong ideologies tied to US military power. But in a society without the need for war that would obviously no longer be a fact.
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The history of the human race is the history of war, and that history is written by the winners. There is nothing peaceful or benign about humans in general.

Maximus Zeebra said:
Who is to say religion would exist in a good world at all? And who is to say that old religions would not united under common goals, moral views etc etc in a good world, making old religions as they are by themself, irrelevant?
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anyone who is serious about following their religion, that's who. If all religions would simply co exist, then the world would be a lot more peaceful, no question. So, how do you get the Muslims and Christians to accept each other? Remember, they've been fighting for thousands of years.



Maximus Zeebra said:
What about western terrorists like the bombers and shooters here (non muslims)?


Ps. Who are the ones that strap on the bombs?
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What about western terrorists? Do they cancel out the other terrorists?
 
Phys251 said:
Then explain how pretty much everyone who has replied to this thread has a similar view of the OP's absurdity.

Hint: When do DP-ers agree on ANYTHING?
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I think its better to try to find common ground and work towards some kind of agreement, rather than just disagreeing.


Ps. Its an absurd world
 
Fortunately for me, I am not responsible for the state of civilization, or the world. And now, I'm going to burst forth with song...I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony. I'd like to sing some more right now, but I have to take a pee....
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
I think its better to try to find common ground and work towards some kind of agreement, rather than just disagreeing.


Ps. Its an absurd world
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Dude, when a claim is so off-the charts that there's little to nothing worth salvaging, common ground is not going to happen. You would need to seriously rework the OP before I would even consider accepting it.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Opinions are like noses, everyone has one.
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Dittohead not! said:
Absolutely. Evil exists in this world, evil people exist, and ideologues are not interested in the real world.
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Why does evil exist?

Dittohead not! said:
The history of the human race is the history of war, and that history is written by the winners. There is nothing peaceful or benign about humans in general.
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Things can change.

Dittohead not! said:
anyone who is serious about following their religion, that's who. If all religions would simply co exist, then the world would be a lot more peaceful, no question. So, how do you get the Muslims and Christians to accept each other? Remember, they've been fighting for thousands of years.
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They have to do the same as nations have to do.


Dittohead not! said:
What about western terrorists? Do they cancel out the other terrorists?
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Why do we have western terrorists and what do they believe?
 
humbolt said:
Fortunately for me, I am not responsible for the state of civilization, or the world. And now, I'm going to burst forth with song...I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony. I'd like to sing some more right now, but I have to take a pee....
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The arts. One of the very positive things about our society.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
How do you measure success? Is it not wrong to measure it on an individual basis?

Should we not rather measure success on how the most unsuccessfull person in the world has it rather than the most successfull?
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It is not up to me to measure success for others, that would be presumptive and wrong.

As for the least successful person, I think back to an old Proverb: "The nail that sticks out gets hammered down."
 
Phys251 said:
Dude, when a claim is so off-the charts that there's little to nothing worth salvaging, common ground is not going to happen. You would need to seriously rework the OP before I would even consider accepting it.
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If everyone thought like that, then we would all be hostile and never have peace.


You don't need to accept it at all, that's your choice. Doesn't mean we necessarily agree or disagree in general. We don't know each others.
 
Thread: Our civilisation is pathetic.
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I would have voted "In some respects" if that were an option. Because it's not, I stuck with 'No.'

Aspects I find pathetic include:
- The pervasive attitudes that autonomous legal adults are entitled to their needs being met by the external, as though they're still children.
- Economic policies based on a gambler's fallacy "if I blow it all now, things will be better later and THEN I'll be able to pay my bills."
- Unrestrained population growth and the visceral/emotional refusal to discuss slowing down.
- Staunch bargain shoppers who get angry that companies pursue economies of scale and cost-minimize.
- Party loyalists​

Some things I find absolutely amazing, when I sit back and reflect on it, which I think we would not have invented were it not for our pathetic but advanced civilization:
- Wireless broadband internet. Do you guys realize how freaking amazing this is? It is unbelievably amazing. Revolutionary. The most profound advancement since the printing press.
- Self-fusing silicone tape. My god this stuff works amazingly well. A million times better than duct tape.
- Filson
- Chain saws​

Every time I use these things I feel a sense of awe and appreciation for human intelligence and innovation.
 
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Maximus Zeebra said:
The arts. One of the very positive things about our society.
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True. I'm somewhat artsy. And yes, I prefer to keep that as vague as possible. As you can see, singing isn't a strong suit in my repertoire.
 
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