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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Exactly why liberty is so important to a world we'd like to live in.
    Yet there is none. In the west, most the liberty people had is vanishing.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Or, you can recognize that the world is a much safer place today than it was just a few hundred years ago. People in the West have better medical care, abundant food, and fantastic communications options. For all the stick they get and the occasional failures, the UN has done a pretty good job at keeping wars from getting completely out of hand. You can travel around the world safely, and in good health; that was barely possible before the 20th Century.

    The world is far from perfect, and could use a lot of changes. But it's far, far better than you make it out to be. Don't blame the world for your pessimism.
    Wow, wohooo.. We have come so far..

    Over the dead bodies and suffering of the rest of the world,


    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Uhm. Have you not read many of the posts on this web forum?!?

    There will always be conflicts between groups, and competing interests. Someone somewhere is always going to starve. Deceit is a part of humanity, there is absolutely no way to eradicate it. Corruption can be tamped down, but not eliminated.

    A world without suffering and lies and corruption is not an imminent reality. That's a fantasy, and the claim that your paradise is achievable only makes it harder to improve the real world we all have to live in.
    I don't agree with that assessment. I guess I have a higher view of and hope for humanity than you do. I think that is an essential next step for humanity. To mature and outgrow all of those pity problems. We can easily eradicate those things if we want. But it is not on the agenda, bickering and patheticness is on the agenda.

    A world without suffering, lies and corruption is for the first time in history within grasp. I say this because information is widely available to everyone, global communication is available. I would say this is the first time in history we could make the world a better world, a much better world, in a very short time.

    It is a fantasy yes, because the political class who own all of you, even your ideas, they seem to not want that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    I also recommend you read Steven Pinker's Better Angels of our Nature and/or Goldstein's Winning the War on War to get a bit of perspective.
    Perhaps I will take you up on that. But I have many unread books in my shelves at the moment that are just waiting for an opportunity to be read.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    A) tl;dr
    B) *Civilization
    C) If you're going to call people stupid, and **** America, blah blah blah, at least try to abstain from grievous grammatical errors and logical fallacies.
    c. nah. you understood the post. I don't want to spend time editing.
    b. civilisation in British English.


    Besides, you are a great example of why the government own your guts.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I forgot to mention that you peoples guts are owned by the government.

    Over here in Europe land, people are waking up to reality, in the US, which most of the people on this forum is from, you are all quite asleep still.

    Allu Ackbar!

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    What exactly do you think we must do to change the world? Workable solutions, please.
    That's not for me to be expanding on. It is for everyone in this world to decide.

    But for that to work, we have to have actual democracy where the people openly partake and decide in the shaping of our society instead of some monsterously corrupt devils in a deeply corrupt political elite governenment. And yes, I am talking about the whole world, and in particular about Europe and the US where we have this delusion that we are a democracy.

    So, to start with, I would suggest we set up a real democracy.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Don't you think the problem may be that some people think they know what EVERYONE else thinks, wants and needs?
    Haha! I think that's a huge problem.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    That's not for me to be expanding on. It is for everyone in this world to decide.
    IOW, Sharia Law.


    But for that to work, we have to have actual democracy where the people openly partake and decide in the shaping of our society instead of some monsterously corrupt devils in a deeply corrupt political elite governenment. And yes, I am talking about the whole world, and in particular about Europe and the US where we have this delusion that we are a democracy.

    So, to start with, I would suggest we set up a real democracy.
    hahaha

    Like Iranian democracy!

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Correct. My sentiments exactly.

    Hyperbole like we see at the beginning of this thread doesn't win arguments or make this world a better place.

    I just took a few seconds and rated this thread. I gave it a terrible only because pathetic was not one of the choices.

    Its not about winning.

    Its far more important that we all are not loosing.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    IOW, Sharia Law.




    hahaha

    Like Iranian democracy!
    Are you one of those extremists muslims who want Sharia law in Florida?

    Thats not exactly a very constructive way to go about things, is it?


    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Allu Ackbar!
    I dont understand.. Are you a muslim? Or are you one of those people who are blind to everything else in this world because your government only told you to look at muslims?
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Besides, you are a great example of why the government own your guts.
    Why doesn't the government own your guts?

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