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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    You never tried. Nobody on this planet did.
    I don't want to try.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Clearly, everyone who voted no don't see the world around them objectively and do not eveluate it properly.
    Your evaluations of the world that you've shared with us are not proper. 21 others (and counting) appear to agree with me about that. Zero others agree with you. At some point the numbers might indicate that you're missing something. Something about your evaluations is amiss.

    People don't seek reality, people don't seek the truth.
    I'm not calling you delusional per se, but people who do suffer from delusions commonly become frustrated that no one sees things their way, that everyone is therefore against them, and so forth. But that's because they believe things that just are not so.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    You never tried. Nobody on this planet did.



    Meaning that you never tried it either, so what gives you the right to insist that others try it?

    I see that as way out of line, and over the line.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Careful, those might not be your dogs either



    Actually you're right, I got 2 of them off of the street, but I've been taking care of them for quite a while so I feel like they belong to me.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    1) People who buy these mobile computers "profit" too, in that they are voluntarily trading something they value less (money) for something they value more (that computer). If they didn't, they wouldn't buy it (and in that case the maker and retailer wouldn't profit either).
    2) It is not rational to manufacture anything if there is zero opportunity to make more money than it costs. In fact that would be self-destructive.
    3) Again, whether the maker of something profits or not has nothing to do with the product's usefulness.
    People buy them because they have no alternatives.

    Our economic model is deeply flawed, and only in it is point 1,2 and 3 true.

    Actually, in this model, the drive for profit is also the drive to make the cheapest and worst products and sell it at the highest possible price. That is what point 3 is about. - Material cost/design etc - labour + maximum price = maximum profit.


    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I'm no computer industry expert, so if you really know what you're talking about, then perhaps you have stumbled on an untapped market and thus have a good business and/or investment opportunity.
    I recognize quality when I see it and the lack of it when I see it.



    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    You haven't thought this one through. The energy we use to produce and distribute food is significant, and shipping it to every human on the planet would be a waste of that energy. Plus you would artificially be enabling further overpopulation, which you complained about in a recent post. Conundrum!
    Ooh no, but I have. We could even distribute condoms, sexual education and useful practical education alongside those.



    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    You can say it a million times that there is no such thing as property rights, but that doesn't make it true. No wonder you're frustrated. Insisting that the world belongs to you when in fact it doesn't.
    I can say it a billion times in thousands of different times. We all live on the same planet, and we all have the same rights to its resources. Just because someone confiscate them, kill for them and think they have the right to them, does not make it a justified model.


    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    No one is "aiming" for a certain world. The world is the world. It is supremely arrogant to think that the world and all the people in it can, will or should bend to your will.
    Its arrogant to think that not everyone should aim for a perfect world.

    Actually, the world should not bend to my will, and it should not bend to the will of a group of monsterous bastards either (the governments). It should bend to ALL people in this world.


    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    It is unhealthy to expect perfection and get bitter and angry when it doesn't happen. It's never happened and it will never happened. It leads nowhere other than to nihilism.
    I am deeply ashamed to be human, thats it. I am not bitter about that, I just think its sad to see the state of the world.


    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I just recognize irrational bitterness, idealism and entitlement when I see it.
    Good for you.


    I recognise a bunch of things when i see it as well.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    yes and our opinions in Europe has caused thousands of years of war.
    Well yes, that is the truth.


    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I don't want to try.
    Why not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Meaning that you never tried it either, so what gives you the right to insist that others try it?

    I see that as way out of line, and over the line.
    No, I certainly did not. But I want to.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Here's my prediction:

    Idiots, morons, malcontents, rejects, the ugly, the fat, the stupid and the just plain undesirable will continue to complain about society forever.

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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Wonderful. This thread has turned into personal attacks. Thats great.

    Actually, that is my point exactly.
    You people are sooo narrow minded you cant even see it.

    Its tragic actually, and certainly one of the things that instigated this thread in the first place. Such people as you who engage in such things are the reason this world is functioning as badly as it does. You would happily let others suffer so that you can be happy. That is what the west is about. We are happy, and we let others suffer for it, without sacrificing that a thought.

    We exploit them, we take their natural resources. We invade their country, we colonise their society. We force our values upon them, or try to at least, without ever looking into our own value. The west for sure is the very worst at looking at themselves.


    Such a shame.

    Makes me ashamed to be one of you actually.
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    re: Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    People buy them because they have no alternatives.
    Wrong. An alternative to buying a piece of crap is to NOT buy the piece of crap. If they really thought so negatively of the product, they would be irrational for buying it. They buy them because having it is better than not having it. It is worth it to them. They trade money voluntarily because they value that amount of money LESS than they value having a computer. That counts as "profit" on the buyer's side of the equation, as well as the seller's side of the equation. That's what fair dealing (a free market) is. People who value things differently voluntarily trading with one another such that both feel better off after the trade.

    That is not only a good system, it is the best system, because all other systems invariably must introduce force somewhere, i.e., one of the parties is forced to accept trades they otherwise would not want to make.

    Actually, in this model, the drive for profit is also the drive to make the cheapest and worst products and sell it at the highest possible price.
    If people didn't want cheaper alternatives, they wouldn't buy cheaper alternatives, and therefore businesses that made cheaper alternatives wouldn't succeed. This is another indication that buyers of goods and services (and sellers of labor, i.e. employees) are profiting too, just in different ways.

    I recognize quality when I see it and the lack of it when I see it.
    I would be interested in hearing some of the goods/services you find to be quality.

    I can say it a billion times in thousands of different times. We all live on the same planet, and we all have the same rights to its resources. Just because someone confiscate them, kill for them and think they have the right to them, does not make it a justified model.
    This traces back to my comment about chain saws and cutting wood. Our laws recognize property rights, I own my property and pay taxes to my community to maintain my ownership, and as such neither you nor any other person in the world has a right to the resources on my property, nor the right to interfere with MY right to the resources on my property. I have the right to cut down every last tree on my property (of course, it is not in my best interests to do so, but legally I could, whereas you could not).

    Its arrogant to think that not everyone should aim for a perfect world.
    In no way is that arrogant. It is realistic. Whereas protesting and calling the world a failure because it's not perfect is bordering on delusional.

    Actually, the world should not bend to my will, and it should not bend to the will of a group of monsterous bastards either (the governments). It should bend to ALL people in this world.
    It won't. One man's liberty is another man's tyranny. We have to restrain some people's ambitions to protect the basic rights of others, and that means the world will never be perfect like you want it to be. The world does not bend to the will of any group of people. Even if it did, in some magical universe, then the people generally become the group of monstrous bastards.

    I am deeply ashamed to be human, thats it. I am not bitter about that, I just think its sad to see the state of the world.
    I do not mean this condescendingly: I sincerely hope you continue to examine whether it's appropriate or not to feel such deep shame.
    Last edited by Neomalthusian; 09-30-13 at 04:03 PM.

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