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    Re: Will ObamaCare reduce healthcare costs and insurance premiums?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    From his speech on the last page - you stopped at page 1.

    "Here’s what you need to know. First, I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits – either now or in the future. Period. And to prove that I’m serious, there will be a provision in this plan that requires us to come forward with more spending cuts if the savings we promised don’t materialize. Part of the reason I faced a trillion dollar deficit when I walked in the door of the White House is because too many initiatives over the last decade were not paid for – from the Iraq War to tax breaks for the wealthy. I will not make that same mistake with health care."

    " The plan will not add to our deficit. The middle-class will realize greater security, not higher taxes. And if we are able to slow the growth of health care costs by just one-tenth of one percent each year, it will actually reduce the deficit by $4 trillion over the long term."


    S0... where is the first reduction in the deficit he promised?

    Should I go to the part of promising everyone will have coverage and no pre-existing conditions would disqualify - and then link to how after 133,000 applications the Obama Administration shut all that down?
    Funny you should mention this... It seems he and the entire democratic party lost the meaning of deficit. All throughout the campaign I heard talk of decreasing the deficit when it sounded to me like they were referring to the debt. The deficit refers to spending over the allotted amount of money for federal expenditures each year, not the national debt. If the deficit was indeed 4 trillion dollars a year, he would have been adding 16 trillion dollars to the national debt in his first term. Obviously this isn't the case, so the only thing he could be talking about is the debt, so why do they keep referring to the deficit? Sounds to me like they don't know what they're talking about.
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    Re: Will ObamaCare reduce healthcare costs and insurance premiums?

    Quote Originally Posted by francois60 View Post
    The private sector operates along different rules. As long as people are willing to pay the rising premiums, the model works. If people aren't willing to pay the rising premiums, then the insurance companies skimp to make the premiums affordable. Such as reducing the size of their provider networks or covering less.
    That's a huge problem...as prices rise more people stop paying. If I'm say 28...have a decent job...and would normally get insurance...would I continue to pay higher and higher premiums? The higher premiums rise the more often healthy people that don't need insurance will forgo paying premiums. The pool decreases and the only folks paying premiums are...you got it sick people or those that will use it more often. So you end up with a death spiral of higher premiums.

    Governments can sometimes do this as well, but it's harder for the government to cut back when it becomes necessary because there are a lot of free riders who don't pay in or pay very little, or paid in when they were younger.
    You have a lot of "free riders" in our current system. How many people opt out of insurance until they get old...about to have a family so need insurance for child birth and kids. How about go decades without health insurance and finally get back problems or something and go on disability and medicaid?

    But the reason those tax provisions continue is because there's a powerful constituency in favor of keeping them. Single payer is ultimately an egalitarian ideal that only works when few have great health insurance to begin with. If 20% have a better deal than they'd get from a single payer system, that's enough to sink it.
    Sure...I guess you can wait until mroe and more people opt out of paying for insurance because of the higher prices. The higher the cost is the more people that will make that cost benefit decision on the side of gambling on not getting sick. When that happens you of course get higher premiums...then more people making that decision...well you eventually start having serious issues. Most of those companies would be unable to sustain those type of costs.
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    Re: Will ObamaCare reduce healthcare costs and insurance premiums?

    If the insurance system was breaking down, you could go to single payer as an alternative. Instead, we doubled down on the private system. That criticism comes from the left and it's valid. However, the insurance system is not yet breaking down and wasn't showing any signs of breaking down. But ACA makes that breakdown more likely by making insurance more expensive and increasing the odds that people won't want to buy the insurance.

    So far, not many people are signing up to the exchanges. It's early yet, but you'd expect more enthusiasm for a great product. People buy Iphones three months before they come out, why wouldn't people buy insurance if it was the great, affordable deal they'd been waiting for?

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    Re: Will ObamaCare reduce healthcare costs and insurance premiums?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    President Obama and Democratic leadership promised ObamaCare/The Affordable Healthcare Act will reduce national healthcare costs and reduce insurance premiums.

    Was that a truthful promise?
    anonymous polls suck



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    Re: Will ObamaCare reduce healthcare costs and insurance premiums?

    Obama Care is a socialist Ponzi scheme that will never work and God forbid might bankrupt this country.
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    Re: Will ObamaCare reduce healthcare costs and insurance premiums?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    anonymous polls suck
    Some members do not know how to post a public poll. It seems like its usually Liberals.
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    Re: Will ObamaCare reduce healthcare costs and insurance premiums?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    President Obama and Democratic leadership promised ObamaCare/The Affordable Healthcare Act will reduce national healthcare costs and reduce insurance premiums.

    Was that a truthful promise?
    No, common sense says the price will go up. When you add millions of people and add a ton of additional coverage, making that coverage mandatory, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
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