View Poll Results: Will the government is going to shut down? For how long?

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  • No

    9 31.03%
  • Yes, for a day

    0 0%
  • Yes, for a few days

    11 37.93%
  • Yes, for a few weeks

    3 10.34%
  • Yes, for a month

    1 3.45%
  • Yes, for a few months

    1 3.45%
  • Yes, for 6 months

    0 0%
  • Yes, for more than 6 months

    0 0%
  • Yes, but for no idea how long

    2 6.90%
  • Belgium, We're coming for your 535 day record!

    2 6.90%
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Thread: Government's Shutting Down

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    Re: Government's Shutting Down

    There is a simple solution. Reduce federal employees to 29 hours thus eliminating the costs of benefits. This would solve the budget issue. If it's good enough for the private sector, then it should be good enough for the public sector.

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    If the Senate refuses to pass the budget sent by the House, then it is the Democrats shutting down the government, not the Republicans.

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    Re: Government's Shutting Down

    I voted "yes, for a few days" but I'm reconsidering and think the government probably won't shut down at all unless congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling before mid November because thats when the Treasury Department would run out of cash and meet it's statutory limit on borrowing. In the meantime, it will cost millions for every day the debt ceiling isn't raised.

    In 2011, just delaying the increase on the debt ceiling cost $1.3 billion....


    "... As discussed above, short delays in increasing the debt limit have caused the Treasury Secretary to take extraordinary actions to avoid disrupting the payments of federal obligations. Though the federal government incurred additional costs during these periods, such as disruption of government borrowing and trust fund investment programs, the payment of benefits and other outlays occurred largely on schedule and trust funds were made whole once these crises ended.31 GAO estimated that the delays in increasing the debt limit in 2011 increased Treasury’s overall borrowing costs by about $1.3 billion.32 As long as the budget continues to be in deficit and policy makers wish to avoid a default on federal obligations, methods such as those described above cannot circumvent the need to eventually raise the debt limit....."


    An actual government shut down could devastate the economy and have long term reprecussions....


    ...It is difficult to perceive all the adverse effects that a government default for even a short time would have on the economy and the public welfare. It is generally recognized that a default would preclude the government from honoring all of its obligations to pay for such things as employees’ salaries and wages; social security benefits, civil service retirement, and other benefits from trust funds; contractual services and supplies, and maturing securities.... At a minimum, however, the government could be subject to additional claims for interest on unredeemed matured debt and to claims for damages resulting from failure to make payments. But even beyond that, the full faith and credit of the U.S. government would be threatened. Domestic money markets, in which government securities play a major role, could be affected substantially.55..."

    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R41633.pdf

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    Re: Government's Shutting Down

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    There is a simple solution. Reduce federal employees to 29 hours thus eliminating the costs of benefits. This would solve the budget issue. If it's good enough for the private sector, then it should be good enough for the public sector.
    What do you think the sequester is? doh.


    If the Senate refuses to pass the budget sent by the House, then it is the Democrats shutting down the government, not the Republicans.
    Nope, it's those idiots in congress trying to sabotage the economy that will get the blame.



    "....Imagine a situation in which a Democratic Speaker said to a Republican President, I’m not going to increase the debt ceiling unless you increase corporate taxes by 20 percent. And if you don’t do it, we’ll default on the debt and cause a worldwide financial crisis. Even though that Democratic Speaker didn’t have the votes to force through that particular piece of legislation, they would simply say, we will blow the whole thing up unless you do what I want. That can’t be a recipe for government...."

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    Re: Government's Shutting Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    What do you think the sequester is? doh.


    Nope, it's those idiots in congress trying to sabotage the economy that will get the blame.



    "....Imagine a situation in which a Democratic Speaker said to a Republican President, Iím not going to increase the debt ceiling unless you increase corporate taxes by 20 percent. And if you donít do it, weíll default on the debt and cause a worldwide financial crisis. Even though that Democratic Speaker didnít have the votes to force through that particular piece of legislation, they would simply say, we will blow the whole thing up unless you do what I want. That canít be a recipe for government...."

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    Everybody keeps calling the guys in congress idiots, and that could be the furthest from the truth. They are in fact very desperate men looking for someway out and there isn't one. They are very screwed men to be honest. Because on one side they have the establishment telling them to go ahead and pass the bill and on the other they have the likes of me who donate quite a bit of money telling them if they do anything other than defund Obamanocare we will cut their nuts off and fund their democratic rival. That is if we don't hang them from a lamppost. Believe me the poor sorry bastards are very unhappy.
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    Re: Government's Shutting Down

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    If the Senate refuses to pass the budget sent by the House, then it is the Democrats shutting down the government, not the Republicans.
    That is a painfully stupid thing to say. It takes two sides to disagree.
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    Re: Government's Shutting Down

    I voted for the belgium one because it was funny.

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    Re: Government's Shutting Down

    Markets crumbled in Asia today as the government shutdown gets close. Keep watch on the DOW this morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Everybody keeps calling the guys in congress idiots, and that could be the furthest from the truth. They are in fact very desperate men looking for someway out and there isn't one. They are very screwed men to be honest. Because on one side they have the establishment telling them to go ahead and pass the bill and on the other they have the likes of me who donate quite a bit of money telling them if they do anything other than defund Obamanocare we will cut their nuts off and fund their democratic rival. That is if we don't hang them from a lamppost. Believe me the poor sorry bastards are very unhappy.
    I believe you....but you haven't had a democrat run for representative in your district for the last two elections. There isn't any democracy in the district where you live.

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    Re: Government's Shutting Down

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Yes? No? How long?
    I say no.The republicans will puss out.
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