At least the Repubs were willing to negotiate! BHO was not, as he so stated! :thumbdown:
and if you think obama would consider undermining the signature legislative achievement of his first term as president, then you must have not been paying attention to politics.
At least the Repubs were willing to negotiate! BHO was not, as he so stated! :thumbdown:
and if you think obama would consider undermining the signature legislative achievement of his first term as president, then you must have not been paying attention to politics.
At least the Repubs were willing to negotiate! BHO was not, as he so stated! :thumbdown:
Obama stated he would not negotiate on entitlement spending. Obamacare was not the problem.
Greetings, Unitedwestand. :2wave:
How is it negotiating when you refuse to change a condition your opponent refuses to accept?
When there is no ZOPA, saying you're willing to negotiate is a lie.
Offering to talk when neither side is willing to budge is an empty gesture
:agree: The topic that BHO refused to discuss was entitlement spending, not Obamacare.
And they did pass a CR to keep the government running. Negotiating doesn't mean that one side gets everything they want, you know, and the other side gets nothing! Sheesh! :shock:
Greetings, obvious Child. :2wave:
If that is true, then there is no problem. All that has to be done is strip out the part that is not the problem, fund the rest, ane we're good to go.
Isn't that what the House sent to the Senate?
Sorry, I thought you were discussing the Senate - House Flare up.
Would you agree that neither side is negotiating in that one?
All sides seem to have dug in their partisan heels, so the game playing continues. I'm waiting to see if the House sends each spending bill separately to the Senate, and let Reid worry about getting the votes to pass them. It's out of the House's hand now. They've done all they can.
The House asked for a one-year delay in implementing Obamacare. Not replace, not repeal, just a one-year delay. With all the problems currently becoming obvious with Obamacare, you'd think that a reprieve would be agreeable, and the thing could be fixed in the interim, instead of the current "learn as you go" technique. That was not acceptable to Obama, so we have a shutdown.
The House approved the CR on spending, so our credit rating should stay intact. What else can be done at this point? Obama seems to think he should get everything he wants, and the other side nothing? That is ridiculous, since the House representatives also listen to their constituents, as they should. We have a $17 trillion dollar debt hanging over our heads like Damocles sword, and cuts will have to be made, whether Obama, Reid, and Pelosi agree or not, because the debt will affect everyone!
Good evening, Jimbo. :2wave:
Piece meal funding is worse. We're going to get bogged down on every stupid item.
And no, the house hasn't done all they can do. Boehner knows full well he can end this, He has enough moderate and Democrat votes. He just won't put it on the floor.
I agree. What is particularly annoying to me is that it seems that Obama has delayed or exempted approximately half the provisions of the bill, indicating that he agrees that work needs to be done on a flawed bill. Yet is insistent on passing the rest.
The country managed to get along without this bill for a couple of hundred years. While I think the concept is inherently flawed, Congress and the administration has an opportunity to take another look and bring back something that might work.
As someone else said, they should all be fired.
I agree. What is particularly annoying to me is that it seems that Obama has delayed or exempted approximately half the provisions of the bill, indicating that he agrees that work needs to be done on a flawed bill. Yet is insistent on passing the rest.
The country managed to get along without this bill for a couple of hundred years. While I think the concept is inherently flawed, Congress and the administration has an opportunity to take another look and bring back something that might work.
As someone else said, they should all be fired.
I think the tens of thousands of families that had loved ones die due to lack of adequate health care coverage would disagree...strongly.
I know what we should do to stop this make it so during a shutdown no parts of congress gets paid . That would make sure that this problem never happens again . Or a alternative their pay would be jeopardized for not doing their job .
The President is allowed to spend, what the House grants him and no more. If he sees the end of the line and increases spending? Well, he runs the country out of money. He must have known that. Most CEOs know these things.
I would have thought he should have seen it coming. Or wasn't he paying attention? Or did he think he would just put the pressure on and the House would fold?
I think it's actually in the constitution that no congress can change its own salary, so they couldn't even if they wanted to (how convenient).
The House asked for a one-year delay in implementing Obamacare. Not replace, not repeal, just a one-year delay. With all the problems currently becoming obvious with Obamacare, you'd think that a reprieve would be agreeable, and the thing could be fixed in the interim, instead of the current "learn as you go" technique. That was not acceptable to Obama, so we have a shutdown.
The House approved the CR on spending, so our credit rating should stay intact. What else can be done at this point? Obama seems to think he should get everything he wants, and the other side nothing? That is ridiculous, since the House representatives also listen to their constituents, as they should. We have a $17 trillion dollar debt hanging over our heads like Damocles sword, and cuts will have to be made, whether Obama, Reid, and Pelosi agree or not, because the debt will affect everyone!
Good evening, Jimbo. :2wave:
You must be joking. There is a process to repeal a law and it has nothing to do with paying the bills to run a govt.. You must think we make up things as we go along. You would have chaos if that were the case.
Oh wait that is what is happening now. 800,000 unemployed overnight...good going House T's.
Sorry, but if you cannot pay the bills you already have, it makes no sense to run out and buy yourself a Rolls.