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Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?


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When this is all over with, in the future, there will be no right, and there will certainly be no GOP.

They have sped up their own demise.

Not my problem.

This is happening because there is a right and they are tired of what they get from the GOP which is democrat lite. If we are lucky what will emerge is a power in government which will fight the dark force of liberalism.

We have to suffer through eight years of Obama because the GOP saw fit to run a Rino and a manager in successive elections. We are slowly devolving into a country which is no longer exceptional into one that is losing its global ranking in economic freedom, decreasing status globally and not taken seriously by either our friends or enemies. It's time to try something different.
 
Yet the Republicans in the House can't even get their act together to vote on a clean CR...and you expect reasonable negotiations? The GOP has declared themselves to be a body that won't compromise.

For an example of the mindset, see Tiggers post above. When you have Principles with a Capitol P, you don't negotiate.

Fail. The House passed an actual budget. You may or may not remember the last time the Senate managed that - it was before we had an iPad. And a "clean CR" is precisely what I described - a way of locking in Democrat's governance as of 2009/2010 as though the 2010 elections never happened.
 
That's rich since Harry Reid has refused to compromise an both bills the House passed and the President has vowed to veto any changes to ObamaCare. Sounds to me like neither are talking and neither are willing to compromise and calling out only one side and ignoring the other is partisan convenience. The Republicans have no motivation to provide a clean CR - they, like the American public don't like Obamacare. The GOP is framing the 2014 mid-terms.

The House was in session all weekend but the Senate was nowhere to be found. The President had time to negotiate with Iran but has been unwilling to negotiate with Republicans knowing the House and Senate have been flooded with calls of Americans across this country against this healthcare bill and raising the debt ceiling with no efforts by him or the Democrat Senate to curtail the obscene spending. I agree 2014 is just around the corner.

Sen. John Barrasso (R-Wyo.) on Sunday said that ObamaCare insurance exchanges set to go live this week “are being held together right now with duct tape and chicken wire.”
 
Yet the Republicans in the House can't even get their act together to vote on a clean CR...and you expect reasonable negotiations? The GOP has declared themselves to be a body that won't compromise.

For an example of the mindset, see Tiggers post above. When you have Principles with a Capitol P, you don't negotiate.

Didnt Obama ACTUALLY say 'i wont negotiate?"
 
Yet the Republicans in the House can't even get their act together to vote on a clean CR...and you expect reasonable negotiations? The GOP has declared themselves to be a body that won't compromise.

If only that were actually true. The Republicans are mostly making a show of this for political purposes. We all know that eventually this will get passed, and nothing significant will have changed in Obamacare or anything else. If the Republicans were truly a "No Compromise" party, this would have happened years ago.

For an example of the mindset, see Tiggers post above. When you have Principles with a Capitol P, you don't negotiate.

Nobody who has principles negotiates, regardless of the spelling you use for the word. Principles and Negotiations are antithetical concepts.
 
under the constitution the congress holds the purse strings.

and the house is one who holds the greater position for a budget, because the senate cannot pass one if it includes any tax increase.

if the house is not doing its job, them it is up to the voters to decide their fate in 2014.

if such a situation is taking place, then democrats should rejoice prepare for next year.

The only part of what you said that is relevant is the part about them not doing their job properly. They are being irresponsible, and next year should be punished as such.
 
Again, you're wrong. They are two completely different pieces of legislation, and two entirely separate things.

There are two pieces of legislation? As far as I know, there is only one.
Either way, the two items are related. The country can't pay its bills without money. Since it has no money, it must be borrowed. Unless the debt ceiling is raised, there can be no borrowing.
 
Fail. The House passed an actual budget. You may or may not remember the last time the Senate managed that - it was before we had an iPad. And a "clean CR" is precisely what I described - a way of locking in Democrat's governance as of 2009/2010 as though the 2010 elections never happened.

They passed a budget they KNEW would be a nonstarter in the Senate. And they have made it clear there will be no compromise. Just look what they did with the last bill, sending another nonstarter to the Senate.
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Here's something for you read. Maybe it will help you get my POV.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...he_government_shutdown_the_gop_s_suicide.html
 
They passed a budget they KNEW would be a nonstarter in the Senate. And they have made it clear there will be no compromise. Just look what they did with the last bill, sending another nonstarter to the Senate.
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Here's something for you read. Maybe it will help you get my POV.

The Republican Party, Obamacare, and the government shutdown: The GOP’s suicide strategy.

Then the Senate should have amended it, and sent it back, so they could conference on it. Instead they just tabled it.
 
Better to die for what one believes in than to live in a society which has no Principles, Morals, or Values, shrub.

Better DEAD than RED




Whatever, tell that to the old White men who rule the GOP, and are on the wrong side of every social issue in the USA. I'm not impressed.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
 
Then this nation will no longer have any value, and the last potential bastion of decency in the world will have failed,
thereby proving that the entire species of humanity has no more value than the variants of the plague virus.




When you say this you are spitting in your mother and father's faces.

Think about it.




"A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward."
~ Franklin D. Roosevelt.
 
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Nobody who has principles negotiates, regardless of the spelling you use for the word. Principles and Negotiations are antithetical concepts.
"Let us never negotiate out of fear, but let us never fear to negotiate." -- JFK

Let us never negotiate out of stupidity, but let us never be too stupid to negotiate.

Obama has finally figured it out: For the House Republicans, "Compromise" means, "I get 98 percent of what I want, and you get... me only calling you a Socialist instead of a Communist."
 
This is happening because there is a right and they are tired of what they get from the GOP which is democrat lite. If we are lucky what will emerge is a power in government which will fight the dark force of liberalism.

We have to suffer through eight years of Obama because the GOP saw fit to run a Rino and a manager in successive elections.
We are slowly devolving into a country which is no longer exceptional into one that is losing its global ranking in economic freedom, decreasing status globally and not taken seriously by either our friends or enemies. It's time to try something different.




Obama will be replaced by another Democrat, maybe one who's a little farther to the left.

Get ready to deal with that.

I have no sympathy for the losers on the right who are on the wrong side of every social issue.
 
Then the Senate should have amended it, and sent it back, so they could conference on it. Instead they just tabled it.

They did send it back. In the form of a CR. So the deal is that the GOP needs to get them to move off that by compromising. But as evidenced by Tiggers posts, that's not going to happen with a big chunk of 'principled' TeaPartiers.
 
Obama will be replaced by another Democrat, maybe one who's a little farther to the left.

Get ready to deal with that.

I have no sympathy for the losers on the right who are on the wrong side of every social issue.

You left the swami hat off of your picture. Politics isn't linear as you seem to believe. It's a pendulum that swings from failed policy to failed policy. We are experiencing eight years of increasing debt, partisanship, failure of leadership both foreign and domestic, increasing loss of liberty and privacy and you believe that this is the coarse that America will choose. Well, good luck with that.
 
Iquanaman, nothing wrong with closing loopholes but what you fail to recognize is that when doing so it is important to have fair taxation for businesses/ corporations to encourage economic growth. Without it, we have no jobs growth. We continue to have people signing up for welfare benefits. This can not be sustained.

Hiring has nothing to do with closing loopholes that allow the wealthy to pay a lower % than most of us. I am all for deductions for corporations that HIRE new workers but that is also a no-go with Republicans.
 
Envy is funny.

What does envy have to do with anything? I do find it odd though that the Party of bootstrap-lifting, self-reliability and personal responsibility like to vote for the sons of Rich men while criticizing the two presidents we recently had who grew up with single parents and actually did raise themseves up by their own efforts.

One reason I know that many of you are hypocrites.
 
Whatever, tell that to the old White men who rule the GOP, and are on the wrong side of every social issue in the USA. I'm not impressed.

They are beginning to get on the wrong side of the social issues by accepting the same viewpoint that people like you have on them.


When you say this you are spitting in your mother and father's faces. Think about it.

"A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward." ~ Franklin D. Roosevelt.

By saying that I spit in the face of EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN. If/when this nation has truly accepted the Leftist Social Agenda, spitting in the faces of Americans will be the kindest thing I can do to them.

Mr. Roosevelt would have been better off to realize that Conservatives don't find a need to walk forward when they've already found where they wish to be.

"Let us never negotiate out of fear, but let us never fear to negotiate." -- JFK

Let us never negotiate out of stupidity, but let us never be too stupid to negotiate.

If you are willing to negotiate on a position, you never believed in it to begin with. It's that simple.

Obama has finally figured it out: For the House Republicans, "Compromise" means, "I get 98 percent of what I want, and you get... me only calling you a Socialist instead of a Communist."

That would be the fairest version of things I could think of, when I consider this whole situation against the US Constitution.
 
This is happening because there is a right and they are tired of what they get from the GOP which is democrat lite.
If we are lucky what will emerge is a power in government which will fight the dark force of liberalism.

We have to suffer through eight years of Obama because the GOP saw fit to run a Rino and a manager in successive elections. We are slowly devolving into a country which is no longer exceptional into one that is losing its global ranking in economic freedom, decreasing status globally and not taken seriously by either our friends or enemies. It's time to try something different.

If the right is tired now, where will it be after the massive demographic change which strongly supports the Democratic Party hits it and the GOP like a tidal wave?

Think about that a little bit.
Anyone who depends on luck for success will never succeed.

Life doesn't work that way.




"Better days are coming." ~But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
 
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They did send it back. In the form of a CR. So the deal is that the GOP needs to get them to move off that by compromising. But as evidenced by Tiggers posts, that's not going to happen with a big chunk of 'principled' TeaPartiers.

Thats a different bill. We're talking about the budget and appropriations bills that the House passed and the Senate ignored. Months ago. No CR needed if the Senate had done its job. And its been that way for 4 YEARS NOW. The Senate wont consider a single appropriations bill.
 
If the right is tired now, where will it be after the massive demographic change which strongly supports the Democratic Party hits it and the GOP like a tidal wave?

Think about that a little bit.
Anyone who depends on luck for success will never succeed.

Life doesn't work that way.




"Better days are coming." ~But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.

Obamacare is turning into a great fundraising tool. I wouldn't let your mouth overload your ass.

Emergent Anti-Obamacare Senate Candidate Breaks Fundraising Record in Nebraska
 
When this is all over with, in the future, there will be no right, and there will certainly be no GOP.

They have sped up their own demise.

Not my problem.

Historically, partisans have predicted the demise of the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. Both have always been 100% wrong.
 
Historically, partisans have predicted the demise of the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. Both have always been 100% wrong.




Don't try to guess what will happen in the future based on what has happened in the past. I certainly don't.

Did you ever hear of the Whig Party?

How is it doing in the USA right now?
 
Don't try to guess what will happen in the future based on what has happened in the past. I certainly don't.

Did you ever hear of the Whig Party?

How is it doing in the USA right now?

The Whig Party became the Republican Party with the former Whig Abraham Lincoln. Currently, the Republican Party controls the House of Representatives and a majority of state governments. So all in all the Whig Party is doing fairly well.
 
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