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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    And yet, this kind of leverage should be considered bad form by the voters, nevertheless.
    If we didn't have excessive government waste and overspending to the tune of $17,000,000,000,000, I might agree with you, but alas, we do.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The Senate passed a budget in March of this year and the House refused to take it up. Just like last Nov., you are sadly going to be disappointed again when the exchanges open as scheduled and millions get insurance that they never had before. I do see why you are so franticly trying to stop the inevitable but you will fall so hard when you fail. Please strap a pillow to your butt.
    Any taxpayer would have to strap a pillow to their butt with the budget the Democrat Senate passed in March. It had a TRILLION DOLLAR INCREASE IN TAXES!!!!

    What part do you not get that we are broke? Do you operate your own house budget the same way?

    Senate passes budget with $1 trillion tax hike - NBC Politics

    The previous budget Obama submitted couldn't even muster one vote from his own party.
    BREAKING: Democrat-Held Senate Rejects Obama's Horrific Budget, 99-0 - Guy Benson
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Poll: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    If you can't pay what you already owe, it makes no sense to take on new debt.
    Actually, if you can't pay what you already owe, AND you have a sovereign currency, you experience hyperinflation.

    That's not an issue with the US. At all, really.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Since when is Baucus the great soothsayer? Maybe you believed him only because he said what you wanted to hear.
    Have you conveniently forgotten that Baucus was one of the chief authors of Obamacare? And if he thinks it is a train wreck, then Hell, it's worse than what the Republicans are claiming!

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The part where they fear the wrath of voters if they screw up. Redistricting and soft money has ended that for many Republicans.
    The house republicans are doing the will of their constituents. Btw, are you really going to talk of money when this entire issue revolves around a law that is filled with corporatism? Really?
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    If we didn't have excessive government waste and overspending to the tune of $17,000,000,000,000, I might agree with you, but alas, we do.
    Sorry, you still don't get to use catastrophe as leverage, whatever your opinion of the functioning of the government. What if Democrats did the same with, say... doubling the minimum wage? I feel very strongly about that, too. Do we get to hold everyone hostage, or is it only Republicans who get to do that?
    You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Sorry, you still don't get to use catastrophe as leverage, whatever your opinion of the functioning of the government. What if Democrats did the same with, say... doubling the minimum wage? I feel very strongly about that, too. Do we get to hold everyone hostage, or is it only Republicans who get to do that?
    You guys passed a law that the majority of the country was and still is against. Hell, you did the same thing with every part of the safety net you guys are responsible for. What is the difference?

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You guys passed a law that the majority of the country was and still is against. Hell, you did the same thing with every part of the safety net you guys are responsible for. What is the difference?
    The difference is that they were elected to do so as representatives in a Republic. What part of that don't you get? The country could have handed the other side a majority and the executive in order to do away with it, but they didn't. So, no, you don't get to use catastrophe to get your way. If the country had wanted a change in policy that desperately, you would have the votes you need. The threat of catastrophe should lose you votes, and it will.
    You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Sorry, you still don't get to use catastrophe as leverage, whatever your opinion of the functioning of the government. What if Democrats did the same with, say... doubling the minimum wage? I feel very strongly about that, too. Do we get to hold everyone hostage, or is it only Republicans who get to do that?

    under the constitution the congress holds the purse strings.

    and the house is one who holds the greater position for a budget, because the senate cannot pass one if it includes any tax increase.

    if the house is not doing its job, them it is up to the voters to decide their fate in 2014.

    if such a situation is taking place, then democrats should rejoice prepare for next year.

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