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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by vvx View Post
    But wide body jets serve another purpose. Transporting people and things from point A to point B. What is the point of the debt ceiling? Why does it exist? What other purpose does it have, other than a negotiation tool?
    Terrorism are actions that attempt to injure innocent people to get what the terrorist wants. How is this any different?
    Why did the constitution give the "power of the purse" to the House? Maybe they thought their constituents would keep them from wrecking the economy. They didn't know about redistricting back them though.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    WRONG. Baucus never said the bill was a "train wreck."



    He was referring to the implementation of the law, in the context of how HHS could educate people as to the vagaries of the new and complex law after the implementation budget was basically gutted in April.

    The Secret History of Max Baucus' "Train Wreck" Quote

    Yet another lie, courtesy of the GOP spin machine. In before the inevitable bitching about the source.

    Oh, and by the way, Baucus walked back his concerns over implementation about two weeks ago.

    Sen. Baucus says he no longer fears 'train wreck' when ObamaCare begins - The Hill's Healthwatch
    Fact is Baucus did make a quote claiming it was a train wreck for crying out loud whether it be for purposes of implementation is irrelevant. It's a friggen mess! Back to April of this year.

    Baucus warns of 'huge train wreck' enacting ObamaCare provisions - The Hill's Healthwatch

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Terrorism is a war tactic that throughout history governments and other groups have used on a regular basis. It's a bit stupid to think that our forefathers couldn't foresee it.
    They stupidly though that the fear of the electorate would keep them from destroying the economy this way I guess. Little did they know that a political group would arise with no fear of voters, only primary challenges. Subverting the Constitution is not only for lefties it seems. Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice my ass.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Fact is Baucus did make a quote claiming it was a train wreck for crying out loud whether it be for purposes of implementation is irrelevant. It's a friggen mess! Back to April of this year.

    Baucus warns of 'huge train wreck' enacting ObamaCare provisions - The Hill's Healthwatch
    Since when is Baucus the great soothsayer? Maybe you believed him only because he said what you wanted to hear.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Terrorism are actions that attempt to injure innocent people to get what the terrorist wants. How is this any different?
    Why did the constitution give the "power of the purse" to the House? Maybe they thought their constituents would keep them from wrecking the economy. They didn't know about redistricting back them though.
    Why did they create the house? Answer that question and you will have your answer.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    All negotiations have some basic components. One component is leverage. No good negotiator removes the leverage he holds from the debate until a satisfactory compromise has been met.
    And yet, this kind of leverage should be considered bad form by the voters, nevertheless.
    You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why did they create the house? Answer that question and you will have your answer.
    Did they know about redistricting? That is my question. I think not.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    They stupidly though that the fear of the electorate would keep them from destroying the economy this way I guess. Little did they know that a political group would arise with no fear of voters, only primary challenges. Subverting the Constitution is not only for lefties it seems. Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice my ass.
    Yeah? Tell me, what part of the Constitution are the house republicans subverting? Is it the part where they're supposed to kiss the senates ass? That seems to be what Reid and Obama are telling people.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Did they know about redistricting? That is my question. I think not.
    Oh please, is that the excuse liberals have for only holding crime pots and broke ass states?

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yeah? Tell me, what part of the Constitution are the house republicans subverting? Is it the part where they're supposed to kiss the senates ass? That seems to be what Reid and Obama are telling people.
    The part where they fear the wrath of voters if they screw up. Redistricting and soft money has ended that for many Republicans.

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