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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    I think it's funnier to suggest that they will get pinched on their cute little cheeks. The shooting hostages metaphor makes things sound more serious than they really are. The sky is not falling. Nobody is being a terrorist. The government is just functioning exactly the way it is intended to function. I try to refrain from using metaphors of violence. Such language just feeds the crazies who love to pretend the world is coming to an end.

    Sometimes I wish the freedom of speech didn't apply to people suffering from mental illness but it applies to everyone. What can you do?

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by sbrettt View Post
    Why are you replying to yourself?
    Just tryin' to spur some debate, discuss issues, and prevent economic collapse before it happens so that we don't have to risk our lives in a civil war. Nothing major though... go back to sleep.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I'm afraid that applies only to the T's founder and chief contributor since they control the Teaparty with their purse strings. The Koch bros are very good at living within their means. The others owe to the hilt like most of us. Without credit cards this countries economy would collapse in weeks. It's a stupid "saying" and quite appropriate.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Here's a rather frightening article about the repercussions of a credit default:

    Wall Street to GOP: Are you nuts? - Ben White - POLITICO.com

    "A brief shutdown would have some negative economic effects and could create political blowback on the GOP. But it would cause far less long-term damage than a default, which would likely send interest rates sky-rocketing, crush the stock market, devastate business and consumer confidence, and probably send the nationís economy hurtling back into recession if not depression."

    Let's say you and your brother go out for dinner. Your brother's behind the wheel. He wants Mexican, and you want Italian. You can't convince him and he can't convince you along the way. As you near a sharp curve, he keeps his foot on the gas and demands you give in to Mexican or he'll drive you both off the road.

    All bias aside, is this not what House Republicans are doing? They had two years in the last Congress to push their ideas. They failed to pass their agenda through the Senate and signed into law by the President. They lost seats in the election. They've had another 9 months to argue their ideas, with even less to show for it. Now that there is no time for debate, they are demanding their ideas be enacted or they will allow a catastrophic default on the US Government's debt.

    Is it out of bounds to demand this when you have not been able to convince your fellow Congressmen to support your ideas when there was time to debate them? Or is using the threat of disaster a legitimate political tool?
    I don't believe in making threats. The debt celing should not be "held hostage", as you say.

    The debt celing should be shot dead. Do not rais it ever again. Stop borrowing money. Pay back what we owe and then live on less than what we make for the rest of eternity.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    Just tryin' to spur some debate, discuss issues, and prevent economic collapse before it happens so that we don't have to risk our lives in a civil war. Nothing major though... go back to sleep.
    No one on this forum can cause or prevent anything.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    I just took a look in the GOP dictionary.

    Guess what? Fair play isn't in there, they don't know what that means.

    But the American voters are going to explain it to them, wait and see.

    Before this kerfuffle is totally over with some (Not all.) people in the GOP are going to wake up.

    Because the voters are going to wake them up. Wait and see.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I just took a look in the GOP dictionary.

    Guess what? Fair play isn't in there, they don't know what that means.
    I didn't see it either: https://mobile.twitter.com/GOPDictionary

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    Just tryin' to spur some debate, discuss issues, and prevent economic collapse before it happens so that we don't have to risk our lives in a civil war. Nothing major though... go back to sleep.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    hell no..... you make our money weak and may affect our credit ratings inthe world...but if you dont mind paying a higer interest rate so be it not me......we allagree on how much will be spent only,,,,you do not cut/attached programs in the debt limit.... you do that in congress ..the debt limit concerns overall monies for everything not somethings.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Here's a rather frightening article about the repercussions of a credit default:

    Wall Street to GOP: Are you nuts? - Ben White - POLITICO.com

    "A brief shutdown would have some negative economic effects and could create political blowback on the GOP. But it would cause far less long-term damage than a default, which would likely send interest rates sky-rocketing, crush the stock market, devastate business and consumer confidence, and probably send the nationís economy hurtling back into recession if not depression."

    Let's say you and your brother go out for dinner. Your brother's behind the wheel. He wants Mexican, and you want Italian. You can't convince him and he can't convince you along the way. As you near a sharp curve, he keeps his foot on the gas and demands you give in to Mexican or he'll drive you both off the road.

    All bias aside, is this not what House Republicans are doing? They had two years in the last Congress to push their ideas. They failed to pass their agenda through the Senate and signed into law by the President. They lost seats in the election. They've had another 9 months to argue their ideas, with even less to show for it. Now that there is no time for debate, they are demanding their ideas be enacted or they will allow a catastrophic default on the US Government's debt.

    Is it out of bounds to demand this when you have not been able to convince your fellow Congressmen to support your ideas when there was time to debate them? Or is using the threat of disaster a legitimate political tool?
    It is the universal lie that if Republicans won't give Democrats 100% of everything they want, then it is the Republicans shutting everything down. That is a lie. It is the Democrats shutting everything down. Republicans are only shutting down what they won't pay for.

    It seems clear there is now a universal media cry to essentially abolish Congress and make it an inferior department of the Executive branch of government, basically to create an elected monarchy.

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