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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    This has nothing to do with "living within our means."
    Of course it does. That's the only reason the Tea Party exists.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    I hate the GOP. They are just as criminal and wrong as the obama administration. I can assure you that every movement they make is fueled by dishonesty and scandal. Their motive for doing this is to make a campaign to impeach obama, not because they give a sht about the american people and spending. On the surface, however, they are right. The insanity must stop. The line has to be drawn somewhere.

    I remember it was during the "sequester", I read that obama "gifted" to egypt 1.5 billion dollars and a squadron of jet fighters. Right in the middle of the "sequester"!! We didn't have the money, but for dear ol egypt, a MB country that is hostile to the US, he borrowed it from China and sent it direct via moneygram! I thought, this is weird if obama is a president by the people and for the people. Not weird if he is a president for the puppeteers, whose goal is to run america into the ground and collapse the dollar so they can usher in a new world of global dominance.
    The video is just showing how obama is full of it and does not live up to his word. Boehner explains how in a series of talks, they came to a balanced agreement. Then Obama renegs, insisting on 400 billion dollars of unnecessary spending, contrary to his promise to the american people.
    Video: The FRONTLINE Interview: John Boehner | Watch FRONTLINE Online | PBS Video

    Am I a little too raw for everybody here? I may go straight to the point, but why beat around the obama?
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    This has nothing to do with "living within our means."
    of course it does, we aren't succeeding

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    The video is just showing how obama is full of it and does not live up to his word. Boehner explains how in a series of talks, they came to a balanced agreement. Then Obama renegs, insisting on 400 billion dollars of unnecessary spending, contrary to his promise to the american people.
    Video: The FRONTLINE Interview: John Boehner | Watch FRONTLINE Online | PBS Video

    Am I a little too raw for everybody here? I may go straight to the point, but why beat around the obama?
    Here is where I would have thought that obama supporters would come to his rescue, but under the circumstances, it's understandable why the crickets are out instead. It's clear by now that obama says one thing, and does the other. That's okay though, after all, he's a politician. But this time it's our livelihood at stake. With the looming and realistic (many say imminent) threat of the dollar collapsing - for this clown to demand 400 billion dollars of unnecessary spending, is borderline treachery. I would like to say stupidity, but obama is not stupid. It's clear he is bright and intelligent. So....bright and intelligent + tryng to collapse the dollar/the economy = treasonous.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    The video is just showing how obama is full of it and does not live up to his word. Boehner explains how in a series of talks, they came to a balanced agreement. Then Obama renegs, insisting on 400 billion dollars of unnecessary spending, contrary to his promise to the american people.
    Video: The FRONTLINE Interview: John Boehner | Watch FRONTLINE Online | PBS Video

    Am I a little too raw for everybody here? I may go straight to the point, but why beat around the obama?
    I know that many of my my posts are powerful threadstoppers but my intent is not to have everybody run away because of the uncomfortable truth. I thought the purpose of debating politics was to identify problems and discuss solutions. What I'm seeing here is that when a problem is identified, everybody scatters. Pointless.

    Then again, maybe there's nothing to discuss. After all, what other solution could there be other than replace obama with someone who won't insist on buckling the economy? 400 BILLION dollars..... That's 400,000 X 1,000,000 !!!

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    I know that many of my my posts are powerful threadstoppers but my intent is not to have everybody run away because of the uncomfortable truth. I thought the purpose of debating politics was to identify problems and discuss solutions. What I'm seeing here is that when a problem is identified, everybody scatters. Pointless.

    Then again, maybe there's nothing to discuss. After all, what other solution could there be other than replace obama with someone who won't insist on buckling the economy? 400 BILLION dollars..... That's 400,000 X 1,000,000 !!!
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It is hard to rest that which has not been made. When did the determination to live within our means become and intent to destroy our government?
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Threatening to vote against increasing the debt ceiling is not a very effective negotiating strategy. Everybody knows that the Republicans will never go through with it. I think the Republicans should support increasing the debt limit unanimously and leave the government shutdown for 4 or 5 more months. You can't cry wolf too many times. Everybody will giggle at you and pinch your cute little cheeks.

    There is certainly nothing wrong with refusing to increase the debt ceiling but saying you will do it and then backing out is bad strategy.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Of course it does. That's the only reason the Tea Party exists.
    I'm afraid that applies only to the T's founder and chief contributor since they control the Teaparty with their purse strings. The Koch bros are very good at living within their means. The others owe to the hilt like most of us. Without credit cards this countries economy would collapse in weeks. It's a stupid "saying" and quite appropriate.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Threatening to vote against increasing the debt ceiling is not a very effective negotiating strategy. Everybody knows that the Republicans will never go through with it. I think the Republicans should support increasing the debt limit unanimously and leave the government shutdown for 4 or 5 more months. You can't cry wolf too many times. Everybody will giggle at you and pinch your cute little cheeks.

    There is certainly nothing wrong with refusing to increase the debt ceiling but saying you will do it and then backing out is bad strategy.

    vasuderatorrent
    "You don't take hostages you can't shoot" is the way I heard it phrased. The problem is it sort of worked in 2011, when Obama "gave in" to the Sequester. No more Mr. Nice guy this time though the bluff has been called.
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