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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The House never had any intention of negotiating a budget resolution with the Senate. None. Ted Cruz made that perfectly clear last March.....


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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The House never had any intention of negotiating a budget resolution with the Senate. None. Ted Cruz, the self appointed leader of the House made that perfectly clear last March.....


    Senator Ted Cruz: Defund Obamacare or Shut Down Government
    Parker: Shutdown gives Boehner leverage

    Suppose you are John Boehner. Faced with a Democratic Senate and president, he has only two points of leverage ó appropriations and raising the debt limit ó which were set in place by greater minds than all these present.
    What Republicans hope to accomplish by tying demands to the debt ceiling is a grand bargain to include a package of entitlement and tax reform. Sound familiar? The president can refuse to negotiate, but at 3 a.m. when the phone rings and itís Angela Merkel inquiring just what the hell is going on, it wonít be John Boehnerís phone ringing. It will be President Obamaís. Thatís leverage. During the last debt-ceiling battle, Boehner managed to secure more than $2 trillion in cuts and no taxes.
    Thatís context.


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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Good morning, Polgara.

    No funding for my contract, so today is my first day of furlough.
    My daughter called to tell me the FDA was furloughed at noon yesterday in Houston. She's getting her house ready for sale, so she isn't unhappy to have this time off! :

    Good morning, Jack! Glad to see you as an AM poster for a change!

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    My daughter called to tell me the FDA was furloughed at noon yesterday in Houston. She's getting her house ready for sale, so she isn't unhappy to have this time off! :

    Good morning, Jack! Glad to see you as an AM poster for a change!
    Yup. I have number of errands that will be easier on week days vice weekends.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Parker: Shutdown gives Boehner leverage

    Suppose you are John Boehner. Faced with a Democratic Senate and president, he has only two points of leverage — appropriations and raising the debt limit — which were set in place by greater minds than all these present.
    What Republicans hope to accomplish by tying demands to the debt ceiling is a grand bargain to include a package of entitlement and tax reform. Sound familiar? The president can refuse to negotiate, but at 3 a.m. when the phone rings and it’s Angela Merkel inquiring just what the hell is going on, it won’t be John Boehner’s phone ringing. It will be President Obama’s. That’s leverage. During the last debt-ceiling battle, Boehner managed to secure more than $2 trillion in cuts and no taxes.
    That’s context.


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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Parker: Shutdown gives Boehner leverage

    Suppose you are John Boehner. Faced with a Democratic Senate and president, he has only two points of leverage — appropriations and raising the debt limit — which were set in place by greater minds than all these present.
    What Republicans hope to accomplish by tying demands to the debt ceiling is a grand bargain to include a package of entitlement and tax reform. Sound familiar? The president can refuse to negotiate, but at 3 a.m. when the phone rings and it’s Angela Merkel inquiring just what the hell is going on, it won’t be John Boehner’s phone ringing. It will be President Obama’s. That’s leverage. During the last debt-ceiling battle, Boehner managed to secure more than $2 trillion in cuts and no taxes.
    That’s context.


    Read Obama's lips, there will be no "grand bargain" over paying the bills the House already authorized.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Parker: Shutdown gives Boehner leverage

    Suppose you are John Boehner. Faced with a Democratic Senate and president, he has only two points of leverage — appropriations and raising the debt limit — which were set in place by greater minds than all these present.
    What Republicans hope to accomplish by tying demands to the debt ceiling is a grand bargain to include a package of entitlement and tax reform. Sound familiar? The president can refuse to negotiate, but at 3 a.m. when the phone rings and it’s Angela Merkel inquiring just what the hell is going on, it won’t be John Boehner’s phone ringing. It will be President Obama’s. That’s leverage. During the last debt-ceiling battle, Boehner managed to secure more than $2 trillion in cuts and no taxes.
    That’s context.


    Wow, you almost had me convinced that you actually wrote that. Not even a quote mark and your little peace sign at the end. Imagine my disappointment when I saw that you were plagerizing with your typical cut and paste. Well, at least you posted the link.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Read Obama's lips, there will be no "grand bargain" over paying the bills the House already authorized.
    The last POTUS to use the "Read my lips" challenge later changed his mind and backed down.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Ted Cruz is in the Senate. He cannot and does not speak for the House.
    I know. But Boehner has refused to negotiate the budget resolution with the senate for almost as long as Cruz has been plotting to shut down the government. Coincidence? I think not.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Wow, you almost had me convinced that you actually wrote that. Not even a quote mark and your little peace sign at the end. Imagine my disappointment when I saw that you were plagerizing with your typical cut and paste. Well, at least you posted the link.
    When posted with the link everyone knows it's an excerpt.
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