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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The affordable care act is already the law of land. You don't "compromise" by "giving" someone half of what they already have.
    You compromise on anything and everything. Thats how politics works. The Republicans control the purse. If the democrats want something (continued funding of Obamacare), then they have to give something (a delay, some changes, etc). So what are the democrats offering?

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    What your link shows is that there hasn't been a House-Senate budget conference committee or report at all this year. See the column under "Conf. report". Your link validates what the democrats have been saying: Boehner has refused to appoint negotiators for a House-Senate budget conference committee to hash out differences and negotiate a compromise in the budget.
    Read it again. For there to be a conference report, the Senate has to first pass a version.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You mean you haven't graduated from 3rd grade it appears.
    I thought you were saying I needed a third graders mentality to understand you.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Read it again. For there to be a conference report, the Senate has to first pass a version.

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    The Senate did pass a version of the budget resolution on March 23, 2013. Read your link again.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    All negotiations have some basic components. One component is leverage. No good negotiator removes the leverage he holds from the debate until a satisfactory compromise has been met.
    And when one side refuses to negotiate, more forceful application of leverage is required.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The Senate did pass a version of the budget resolution on March 23, 2013. Read your link again.
    The budget bill doesnt matter. It doesnt fund govt. Appropriations bills DO, and the Senate has not even considered a single one.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You must be joking. There is a process to repeal a law and it has nothing to do with paying the bills to run a govt.. You must think we make up things as we go along. You would have chaos if that were the case.
    Oh wait that is what is happening now. 800,000 unemployed overnight...good going House T's.
    Those who have been affected by the shutdown should receive all back pay, if DC follows what they have done in the past. Everyone suspected that a shutdown could take place, so they should not have been surprised when it occurred, and made plans for it. I have friends who work for the government, and they plan on enjoying their unexpected holiday from work!

    It's unfortunate that both sides have decided to be childish and non-cooperative, but it is what it is. We'll get through it. No one except the administration is talking now about Obamacare being repealed. All the House asked for was a delay in its implementation for the people who now have to sign up. Obama himself has already delayed it for a year for small business, but you seem to have overlooked that, for some reason.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Those who have been affected by the shutdown should receive all back pay, if DC follows what they have done in the past. Everyone suspected that a shutdown could take place, so they should not have been surprised when it occurred, and made plans for it. I have friends who work for the government, and they plan on enjoying their unexpected holiday from work!

    It's unfortunate that both sides have decided to be childish and non-cooperative, but it is what it is. We'll get through it. No one except the administration is talking now about Obamacare being repealed. All the House asked for was a delay in its implementation for the people who now have to sign up. Obama himself has already delayed it for a year for small business, but you seem to have overlooked that, for some reason.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The budget bill doesnt matter. It doesnt fund govt. Appropriations bills DO, and the Senate has not even considered a single one.
    The House never had any intention of negotiating a budget resolution with the Senate. None. Ted Cruz, the self appointed leader of the House made that perfectly clear last March.....


    Senator Ted Cruz: Defund Obamacare or Shut Down Government
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The House never had any intention of negotiating a budget resolution with the Senate. None. Ted Cruz made that perfectly clear last March.....


    Senator Ted Cruz: Defund Obamacare or Shut Down Government
    Ted Cruz is in the Senate. He cannot and does not speak for the House.
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