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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    So there's a bill--The budget bill and the house(republicans) won't pass it unless obamacare implementation isn't delayed for a year.
    One way compromise isn't compromise...
    Men do what they have to when they want to, Great men do what they have to, even when they don't want to.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    I agree. What is particularly annoying to me is that it seems that Obama has delayed or exempted approximately half the provisions of the bill, indicating that he agrees that work needs to be done on a flawed bill. Yet is insistent on passing the rest.

    The country managed to get along without this bill for a couple of hundred years. While I think the concept is inherently flawed, Congress and the administration has an opportunity to take another look and bring back something that might work.

    As someone else said, they should all be fired.
    I think the tens of thousands of families that had loved ones die due to lack of adequate health care coverage would disagree...strongly.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I think the tens of thousands of families that had loved ones die due to lack of adequate health care coverage would disagree...strongly.
    That's why the founders wrote the first amendment, So people could disagree.

    If you believe in what you say, form a group of like minded people, collect a few dollars from each, and pick and choose those you want to help. I've got no problem with that as long as you don't force me to join your group, buy your product, or use my money for your charity.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Un biased View Post
    I know what we should do to stop this make it so during a shutdown no parts of congress gets paid . That would make sure that this problem never happens again . Or a alternative their pay would be jeopardized for not doing their job .
    I think it's actually in the constitution that no congress can change its own salary, so they couldn't even if they wanted to (how convenient).
    "Obamacare delenda est"

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    The President is allowed to spend, what the House grants him and no more. If he sees the end of the line and increases spending? Well, he runs the country out of money. He must have known that. Most CEOs know these things.

    I would have thought he should have seen it coming. Or wasn't he paying attention? Or did he think he would just put the pressure on and the House would fold?
    What a profound lack of understanding about civics. This is a crisis of Congress's own making.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Hold the debt ceiling hostage to who/what? To the law that established the debt ceiling?

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    I think it's actually in the constitution that no congress can change its own salary, so they couldn't even if they wanted to (how convenient).
    Correct. It's the 27th amendment. However, they could refuse their salary, eliminate the expense accounts. Eliminate vacations. Making an effort would get my attention.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    The House asked for a one-year delay in implementing Obamacare. Not replace, not repeal, just a one-year delay. With all the problems currently becoming obvious with Obamacare, you'd think that a reprieve would be agreeable, and the thing could be fixed in the interim, instead of the current "learn as you go" technique. That was not acceptable to Obama, so we have a shutdown.

    The House approved the CR on spending, so our credit rating should stay intact. What else can be done at this point? Obama seems to think he should get everything he wants, and the other side nothing? That is ridiculous, since the House representatives also listen to their constituents, as they should. We have a $17 trillion dollar debt hanging over our heads like Damocles sword, and cuts will have to be made, whether Obama, Reid, and Pelosi agree or not, because the debt will affect everyone!

    Good evening, Jimbo.
    You must be joking. There is a process to repeal a law and it has nothing to do with paying the bills to run a govt.. You must think we make up things as we go along. You would have chaos if that were the case.
    Oh wait that is what is happening now. 800,000 unemployed overnight...good going House T's.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You must be joking. There is a process to repeal a law and it has nothing to do with paying the bills to run a govt.. You must think we make up things as we go along. You would have chaos if that were the case.
    Oh wait that is what is happening now. 800,000 unemployed overnight...good going House T's.
    Sorry, but if you cannot pay the bills you already have, it makes no sense to run out and buy yourself a Rolls.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Sorry, but if you cannot pay the bills you already have, it makes no sense to run out and buy yourself a Rolls.
    American has more than enough to pay it's bills, that has nothing to do with this hijacking.

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