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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    No its not.Raising the debt ceiling is asking to borrow more money to fund the government.
    Yes, it is two separate things. They are two different pieces of legislation.

    The "funding the government" bill authorizes future expenditures. Raises the debt ceiling authorizes borrowing to pay current expenditures.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    We are witnessing the death of the GOP. Before all this is said and done, they will be split and down to about 20% support.

    Remember, not only are htey against sanity, they are still at war against women.

    ..and contraception



    Sit back and enjoy the carnage. If a party ever deserved to die, it's this gang of idiots.
    If that is true, why are all the Liberals so angry? Shouldn't they all be out drinking Shirley Temples or something? In actuality, what we are witnessing is exponentially increasing hysteria and desperation from the endlessly braying Liberals as their beloved messiah accumulates a record of embarrassing worldwide failures unparalleled in American history.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    If that is true, why are all the Liberals so angry?
    Because, quite frankly, most "liberals" don't like the fact that the supposed conservative wing of our legislature has been taken over by political nihilists and utter fruitcakes. I'd prefer a functioning Congress, thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Shouldn't they all be out drinking Shirley Temples or something?
    Beer for me, thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    In actuality, what we are witnessing is exponentially increasing hysteria and desperation from the endlessly braying Liberals as their beloved messiah accumulates a record of embarrassing worldwide failures unparalleled in American history.
    What a crock.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Because, quite frankly, most "liberals" don't like the fact that the supposed conservative wing of our legislature has been taken over by political nihilists and utter fruitcakes. I'd prefer a functioning Congress, thanks.



    Beer for me, thanks.



    What a crock.
    so were you saying the same thing when petulant whining liberals say derailed Miguel Estrada's appointment to the DC circuit bench because of racist reasons?



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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so were you saying the same thing when petulant whining liberals say derailed Miguel Estrada's appointment to the DC circuit bench because of racist reasons?
    Yes, clearly keeping Estrada off the D.C. Circuit bench* and holding a gun to the head of the economy are comparable.

    * -- which no, I did not agree with their reasoning, the fact that he was a raving wingnut was good enough for me to keep him off without them playing political football with his ethnicity, although to call the reasoning "racist" is a stretch. His race was politically inconvenient; it's not like Democrats are anti-Latino judges.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Yes, clearly keeping Estrada off the D.C. Circuit bench* and holding a gun to the head of the economy are comparable.

    * -- which no, I did not agree with their reasoning, the fact that he was a raving wingnut was good enough for me to keep him off without them playing political football with his ethnicity, although to call the reasoning "racist" is a stretch. His race was politically inconvenient; it's not like Democrats are anti-Latino judges.
    you miss the point. Keeping a man that all four living former DEM SGs said should be on the court along with the ABA was pure political nastiness. Trying to prevent a disaster like the ACA-a law that the majority of the country opposes is not merely payback politics.



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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you miss the point. Keeping a man that all four living former DEM SGs said should be on the court along with the ABA was pure political nastiness. Trying to prevent a disaster like the ACA-a law that the majority of the country opposes is not merely payback politics.
    Of course it was political nastiness. To me, the current Republican shenanigans transcend "nastiness."
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Of course it was political nastiness. To me, the current Republican shenanigans transcend "nastiness."
    I agree, its actually a principled attack on a disaster of a law that should have never passed and should have been struck down as unconstitutional



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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I agree, its actually a 1. principled attack on a disaster of a law 2. that should have never passed and 3. should have been struck down as unconstitutional
    1. Gotta admit, I lol'd.
    2. Well, it did.
    3. Well, it wasn't.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    I don't think anybody is denying it is a bad law (maybe Senate Democrats and Obama) but these tactics are cowardly to be blunt. When 44 appeals don't work, just hold the American people at risk, that always does the trick!
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