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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    At least the Repubs were willing to negotiate! BHO was not, as he so stated! :
    Yup. The POTUS who abandoned manned spaceflight, outsourced his foreign policy to Putin and fawned over the Iranians has to make himself look tough somehow.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Obama stated he would not negotiate on entitlement spending. Obamacare was not the problem.

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    If that is true, then there is no problem. All that has to be done is strip out the part that is not the problem, fund the rest, ane we're good to go.

    Isn't that what the House sent to the Senate?

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    How is it negotiating when you refuse to change a condition your opponent refuses to accept?

    When there is no ZOPA, saying you're willing to negotiate is a lie.

    Offering to talk when neither side is willing to budge is an empty gesture
    : The topic that BHO refused to discuss was entitlement spending, not Obamacare. And they did pass a CR to keep the government running. Negotiating doesn't mean that one side gets everything they want, you know, and the other side gets nothing! Sheesh!

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : The topic that BHO refused to discuss was entitlement spending, not Obamacare.

    And they did pass a CR to keep the government running. Negotiating doesn't mean that one side gets everything they want, you know, and the other side gets nothing! Sheesh!

    Greetings, obvious Child.
    Sorry, I thought you were discussing the Senate - House Flare up.

    Would you agree that neither side is negotiating in that one?
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    If that is true, then there is no problem. All that has to be done is strip out the part that is not the problem, fund the rest, ane we're good to go.

    Isn't that what the House sent to the Senate?
    The House asked for a one-year delay in implementing Obamacare. Not replace, not repeal, just a one-year delay. With all the problems currently becoming obvious with Obamacare, you'd think that a reprieve would be agreeable, and the thing could be fixed in the interim, instead of the current "learn as you go" technique. That was not acceptable to Obama, so we have a shutdown.

    The House approved the CR on spending, so our credit rating should stay intact. What else can be done at this point? Obama seems to think he should get everything he wants, and the other side nothing? That is ridiculous, since the House representatives also listen to their constituents, as they should. We have a $17 trillion dollar debt hanging over our heads like Damocles sword, and cuts will have to be made, whether Obama, Reid, and Pelosi agree or not, because the debt will affect everyone!

    Good evening, Jimbo.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Sorry, I thought you were discussing the Senate - House Flare up.

    Would you agree that neither side is negotiating in that one?
    All sides seem to have dug in their partisan heels, so the game playing continues. I'm waiting to see if the House sends each spending bill separately to the Senate, and let Reid worry about getting the votes to pass them. It's out of the House's hand now. They've done all they can.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    All sides seem to have dug in their partisan heels, so the game playing continues. I'm waiting to see if the House sends each spending bill separately to the Senate, and let Reid worry about getting the votes to pass them. It's out of the House's hand now. They've done all they can.
    Piece meal funding is worse. We're going to get bogged down on every stupid item.

    And no, the house hasn't done all they can do. Boehner knows full well he can end this, He has enough moderate and Democrat votes. He just won't put it on the floor.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    The House asked for a one-year delay in implementing Obamacare. Not replace, not repeal, just a one-year delay. With all the problems currently becoming obvious with Obamacare, you'd think that a reprieve would be agreeable, and the thing could be fixed in the interim, instead of the current "learn as you go" technique. That was not acceptable to Obama, so we have a shutdown.

    The House approved the CR on spending, so our credit rating should stay intact. What else can be done at this point? Obama seems to think he should get everything he wants, and the other side nothing? That is ridiculous, since the House representatives also listen to their constituents, as they should. We have a $17 trillion dollar debt hanging over our heads like Damocles sword, and cuts will have to be made, whether Obama, Reid, and Pelosi agree or not, because the debt will affect everyone!

    Good evening, Jimbo.
    I agree. What is particularly annoying to me is that it seems that Obama has delayed or exempted approximately half the provisions of the bill, indicating that he agrees that work needs to be done on a flawed bill. Yet is insistent on passing the rest.

    The country managed to get along without this bill for a couple of hundred years. While I think the concept is inherently flawed, Congress and the administration has an opportunity to take another look and bring back something that might work.

    As someone else said, they should all be fired.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Piece meal funding is worse. We're going to get bogged down on every stupid item.

    And no, the house hasn't done all they can do. Boehner knows full well he can end this, He has enough moderate and Democrat votes. He just won't put it on the floor.
    You're probably correct, but no one in DC has asked for our opinion, have they? : Get the and an adult beverage, and settle back to watch the show!

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    I agree. What is particularly annoying to me is that it seems that Obama has delayed or exempted approximately half the provisions of the bill, indicating that he agrees that work needs to be done on a flawed bill. Yet is insistent on passing the rest.

    The country managed to get along without this bill for a couple of hundred years. While I think the concept is inherently flawed, Congress and the administration has an opportunity to take another look and bring back something that might work.

    As someone else said, they should all be fired.
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