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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Given that the GOP hasn't asked, that's not a question that is answerable. The GOP has made it quite clear there will be no reasonable budget negotiation, because they are a fractured party- just read Tiggers posts to see what a non-insignificant part of the House thinks about negotiation.
    Sure it is answerable. All the Democrats have to do is write their compromise position on piece of paper and deliver it to the leaders.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Yes, the dems have been requesting a budget conference committee since at least last April and Boehner has refused to appoint negotiators.

    Conference Committee | House Budget Committee Democrats

    If Boehners plan was to wait until the debt ceiling deadline and hold the country hostage as a bargaining chip.....he failed miserably. I wonder his plan is now?
    Putting on his tin foil hat and await instructions from Tea Party?

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Sure it is answerable. All the Democrats have to do is write their compromise position on piece of paper and deliver it to the leaders.
    The CR already contains the "compromise position" of the Democrats. It continues the budget cuts imposed by the sequester something most Democrats oppose as damaging to our economy and long term growth.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Here's a rather frightening article about the repercussions of a credit default:

    Wall Street to GOP: Are you nuts? - Ben White - POLITICO.com

    "A brief shutdown would have some negative economic effects and could create political blowback on the GOP. But it would cause far less long-term damage than a default, which would likely send interest rates sky-rocketing, crush the stock market, devastate business and consumer confidence, and probably send the nationís economy hurtling back into recession if not depression."

    Let's say you and your brother go out for dinner. Your brother's behind the wheel. He wants Mexican, and you want Italian. You can't convince him and he can't convince you along the way. As you near a sharp curve, he keeps his foot on the gas and demands you give in to Mexican or he'll drive you both off the road.

    All bias aside, is this not what House Republicans are doing? They had two years in the last Congress to push their ideas. They failed to pass their agenda through the Senate and signed into law by the President. They lost seats in the election. They've had another 9 months to argue their ideas, with even less to show for it. Now that there is no time for debate, they are demanding their ideas be enacted or they will allow a catastrophic default on the US Government's debt.

    Is it out of bounds to demand this when you have not been able to convince your fellow Congressmen to support your ideas when there was time to debate them? Or is using the threat of disaster a legitimate political tool?
    It was fine the last time it happened, and it will be fine now. But really the ones holding this up is the Democrats, NOT the Republicans. The republicans have passed the measure numerous times and even put in measures to cut spending. The Democrats are whining because they want it their way or the highway. Republicans have actually come to the table with compromises. So make no mistake, this is the fault of the Democrats, not Republicans.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The CR already contains the "compromise position" of the Democrats. It continues the budget cuts imposed by the sequester something most Democrats oppose as damaging to our economy and long term growth.
    Ok, then it also already contains the Republicans compromise position, funding the govt without serious cuts. Now what is the Democrats compromise position on Obamacare?

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Ok, then it also already contains the Republicans compromise position, funding the govt without serious cuts. Now what is the Democrats compromise position on Obamacare?
    There is no compromising the law of the land. Even a 3rd grader knows that.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    It was fine the last time it happened, and it will be fine now. But really the ones holding this up is the Democrats, NOT the Republicans. The republicans have passed the measure numerous times and even put in measures to cut spending. The Democrats are whining because they want it their way or the highway. Republicans have actually come to the table with compromises. So make no mistake, this is the fault of the Democrats, not Republicans.
    Oh, get real.

    The mantra for the first 4 years was "don't let Obama get a second term"

    That was all that mattered. Not the American people. Just get Obama out.

    Since he got re-elected by a very comfortable margin, the message should have been clear. Cut the crap out and compromise.

    Compromise is not "do it our way or we shut you down"

    I do not think at this point we should negotiate with terrorists.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    I know what we should do to stop this make it so during a shutdown no parts of congress gets paid . That would make sure that this problem never happens again . Or a alternative their pay would be jeopardized for not doing their job .

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Oh, get real.

    The mantra for the first 4 years was "don't let Obama get a second term"

    That was all that mattered. Not the American people. Just get Obama out.

    Since he got re-elected by a very comfortable margin, the message should have been clear. Cut the crap out and compromise.

    Compromise is not "do it our way or we shut you down"

    I do not think at this point we should negotiate with terrorists.
    Compromise is a two-way street, Republicans did their share, now it is the Democrats turn.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Compromise is a two-way street, Republicans did their share, now it is the Democrats turn.
    What compromise did the Republicans offer the democrats in return for slicing up the affordable care act? Was it immigration reform, tax increases or gay marriage? You do real that compromise involves both sides getting something they want right?

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