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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Playing with the debt ceiling is just too risky.

    The world isn't that black and white.

    Holding it hostage puts at risk the full faith and credit of the United States, putting in jeopardy not only your economy, but the global one.

    I know people are pissed about spending and how much debt you're in.
    When someone is asking if they can borrow more money is the perfect time to start reigning in spending.Especially if that spending keeps going up and up. Every cut in the book should be made and if possible go back to the basics.

    But holding the entire global economy hostage to fix the US deficit is like trying to fight a fire by pouring alcohol on the flames.

    I would think that the global economy would be hit much harder if the US declares bankruptcy and never pays that loa.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Have the Dems offered to go to conference?
    Yes, the dems have been requesting a budget conference committee since at least last April and Boehner has refused to appoint negotiators.

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    If Boehners plan was to wait until the debt ceiling deadline and hold the country hostage as a bargaining chip.....he failed miserably. I wonder his plan is now?

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    That depends...did Obama lead a cabal of Representatives who intimidated their party into a stunt that lowered the credit rating of the United States for the 1st time and cost the Govt. billions?
    Yup. Although they were Senators and Representatives both.

    But we were comparing Obama voting against raising the debt ceiling and accusing those who raised it of being unpatriotic to today's conflict, not him later presiding over our first downgrade.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Is this going to turn into one of those "have you stopped beating your wife" lines of questioning?
    it was originally intended as lighthearted, however, more seriously, I can't help but notice you don't answer it. Is Obama's behavior in 2006 exhibitive of the same moral atrocity - described variously as "terrorism", "hostage taking" and the like - as Republicans today, since it was, in fact, the same behavior? And if so, did you think that of him at the time?

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Yes, the dems have been requesting a budget conference committee since at least last April and Boehner has refused to appoint negotiators.

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    The House has already passed it's budget. It is SENATE Democrats who are refusing to do so.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    it was originally intended as lighthearted, however, more seriously, I can't help but notice you don't answer it. Is Obama's behavior in 2006 exhibitive of the same moral atrocity - described variously as "terrorism", "hostage taking" and the like - as Republicans today, since it was, in fact, the same behavior? And if so, did you think that of him at the time?
    1. I didn't know about it at the time. Virtually nobody did. Raising the debt ceiling was generally a matter of political routine until the 2011 debt ceiling fight.

    2. I would say it's different, since Obama wasn't trying to extract any concessions. The Republicans are trying to extract utterly absurd concessions -- basically the implementation of the entire party platform minus some sort of abortion restrictions, which they probably would have added in if they had thought of it.

    Obama was making a credential-burnishing speech on the Senate floor. The GOP is attempting to hijack the government. Yeah, there's a difference. It's NOT the same behavior.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I would think that the global economy would be hit much harder if the US declares bankruptcy and never pays that loa.
    The United States is nowhere remotely close to even approaching a scenario that would be cause to declare bankruptcy.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Oh, I'm sure they are giving up a bunch in just passing CRs. There is directed funding and earmarks galore that they would want to act on, there is adustments in all kinds of stuff that they want to be sure. But the alternative is the House sitting in a corner refusing to give anything up that they want.
    You didnt answer the question though. If negotiation is about giving something up, what are the Democrats offering to give up in order to get what they want (funding of Obamcare)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    You didnt answer the question though. If negotiation is about giving something up, what are the Democrats offering to give up in order to get what they want (funding of Obamcare)?
    Given that the GOP hasn't asked, that's not a question that is answerable. The GOP has made it quite clear there will be no reasonable budget negotiation, because they are a fractured party- just read Tiggers posts to see what a non-insignificant part of the House thinks about negotiation.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Given that the GOP hasn't asked, that's not a question that is answerable. The GOP has made it quite clear there will be no reasonable budget negotiation, because they are a fractured party- just read Tiggers posts to see what a non-insignificant part of the House thinks about negotiation.
    Theyve asked 3 times, for defunding of obamacare, for delay of obamacare, and yesterday to eliminate the subsidy for congressional staff. What did the Democrats give up in return?

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